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Ponty Massive

I called my LABC about a week ago and asked what was involved with the notification process, could someone come out and have a look etc. Spoke to a real switched on guy, I explained it was going to be used as my Part P assessment with the NIC. His view was, he was happy if it was my assessment job for me to do the work, then when the NIC come around it can be certified then etc therefore saving me a couple of hundred quid! Was even happy to provide it in writing to give to the NIC.....Nice guy (there are still a few out there)

Today a call to the NIC.

"Hi, I've received your email with the application details, can I go ahead and begin the application please?"

"You need 2 jobs and pay us £434.75" :rolleyes:


"Yep no problems, the work is in my house and I have my debit card here"

She then runs through all the usual questions regarding exams etc...

She's asked me if the jobs had been approved by the LABC, to which I explained they were happy to let me run with it and do the work because you guys are coming out to inspect it.

"That's NOT exceptable.....you can't certify your own work. It has to be done through the LABC"

I was a bit gob-smacked. "Why can't I certify my own work?" I asked, "I have been an electrician for about 18 years and have had to certify every job I have done."


"You can't certify your own work because your not NICEIC approved"

There was a long pause........

"So where do I go from here?" I asked.

"You need to pay the LABC first, then once they are happy, call us back and then pay us."


The next call from me won't be the LABC but ELECSA!!!!!!!!

Has anyone else had this trouble with the NIC?
 
i had exactly the same conversation, you really cant win either way.i was qouted £237 per job for labc to get involved,its just such a con. i would love to go with elecsa but all the builders/developers i aim to work for want niceic.i know people with elecsa say phone this person etc they will tell the builders there is no difference between competent person schemes but i guarantee they wornt listen.
 
All the bl***y time. I was NICEIC when they were the only kids on the block way back in the 90's and before this silliness and part P. I had a great realtionship with my NICEIC guy, I won't give him his name, but if you know a certain C&G centre in Kent called Redford Charles you will know him. They were supportive and helpful. Then this money making scam came in called Part P and it went belly up. They turned from being a semi regulatory body to a money driven machine. And most of the guys like him left.

I left in 2007 and went to ELECSA and I found them like the old NICEIC were, helpful and couldn't do enough to help. I posted here last week that a friend was advised by ELECSA to do exactly what you did, and got the same answer from the LABC as you did.
 
Can't comment on NICEIC but Elecsa never mentioned it. On my assessment, the assessor did mention to me to notify it once i'd got my elecsa account set up.
 
malcolmsanford said:
All the bl***y time. I was NICEIC when they were the only kids on the block way back in the 90's and before this silliness and part P. I had a great realtionship with my NICEIC guy, I won't give him his name, but if you know a certain C&G centre in Kent called Redford Charles you will know him. They were supportive and helpful. Then this money making scam came in called Part P and it went belly up. They turned from being a semi regulatory body to a money driven machine. And most of the guys like him left.

I left in 2007 and went to ELECSA and I found them like the old NICEIC were, helpful and couldn't do enough to help. I posted here last week that a friend was advised by ELECSA to do exactly what you did, and got the same answer from the LABC as you did.
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This is good to hear about Elecsa.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I feel really mad already and I haven't even joined yet. As Jam2020 said, the only reason I was going to join them is because the NIC is what the local builders want (in turn doing work for the council).

I don't wont to cut my nose off to spite my face but I feel like just going straight to ELECSA now and have a chat with them.
 
im quite annoyed about all this,as if it doesnt cost enough to get set up in the first place,if nic were to pull there finger out and give you an assessment within a month i cant see the harm in self certifying the work imediatly after. im now thinking elecsa and if it really comes to it with builders demanding niceic sparks to join at a later date,at least i could sign work off with elecsa and keep the robbers from labc out of the equation!
 
i certified all my assessment via elecsa when i passed site visit!

and i have done work for Housing associations with there own sparks were busy!
 
Well I just phoned Elecsa......what a breath of fresh air. I cannot believe the difference in two companies. The lady on the end of the phone was extremely helpful and answered all my questions (plus I got through after about 10 seconds as aposed to 8 minutes waiting for the NIC to answer)

Seems like a no brainer now.

How can the NICEIC continue like this? Surely as a prospective customer to them, I should have been given a 1st class services and that's exactly what I got from Elecsa.

Payment will be made online tonight and I look forward to a happy working relationship them.

Thanks for all your help and advice guys :)
 
DurhamSparky said:
i certified all my assessment via elecsa when i passed site visit!

and i have done work for Housing associations with there own sparks were busy!
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glad you had a great response from elecsa I got my assessment tomoz at 1pm so fingers crossed lol..
i have the same issues with niceic aswell it seemed they culdnt be bothered and very arsey so i kicked then to the wall and elecsa were excellent i would recommend them to anyone who want to join them...( well if i pass any way ) lol

good luck jj
 
Ive never heard a bad word said about elecsa. They are polite helpful and of noone is in technical you get a call back within ten minutes. Can't fault them at all
 
The NIC do seem to be falling by the wayside a little, especially with domestic.

I joined Elecsa due to the attitude being far superior.
 
straight from the mouth of mr cable in a college full of 80+ electricians in training on the 2330 and 16th edition the niceic used to come round and do q&a talks. one of the guys said "how can i do the job for my assessment ? do i need to notify the council?" tony told him directly he had no need to notify the council as he could use it for his assessment and need not pay the labc for their efforts. they really do need to sort out their stance on this one. the guy did question him saying he still thought he had to inform labc to which he was told NO, no need if you are going to be assessed by us as soon as you have done it ie within the 6 weeks you need not do anything.
i will ensure at the next nic talks in college tony will be quoted this directly and ask him who is right. him or the people on the other end in the hq.
 
As one of the older contributors to here in a way it does make me sad to see the NICEIC come to this, and I'm sure there are quite a few ex NICEIC assessors and guys who have worked for them see how the organisation is regarded.

I had a great relationship with them in the 90's they were helpful and supportive always there for their members a lot like the NAPIT's and ELECSA's are today. What changed them was this Part P and the competant persons scheme. They had the idea as they were the only kids on the block it would be their domain but the government opened it to other schemes and the NICEIC got left behind as the others adapted and developed the procedures quicker. Talking to ex NICEIC guys they told me it was a dedicated effort on their part to diverse into publications and training and away from the guys on the front line, that is why so many left to do other things.

In a way I hope that sometime in the future they will reverse this trend, they are basically a good organisation, but IMO they seem to have lost their way.
 
Is he really called Tony Cable?Its such a good name for an electrician.I think he is a really great character and Dave Austin also but I'm going with ELECSA anyway for reasons mentioned.
 
hi pontymassive
good post I have also been having problems getting the answer to this. So like you have contacted Elecsa and waiting for a telephone call. Hopefully i will also get the same answer and then register with them also
cheers
 
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All the guys joining Elecsa, if I PM you all with my reg number you can tell them I recommended you and I can claim my discount vouchers.;)

Or is this being a little cheaky:confused:
 
well guys i passed my assesment today he was here 2.5 hrs

he was a great bloke went through all assesment with ease and he wasn't here to trip me up at all he wanted me to get through it

:? like i did

well done elecsa you put others to shame ..

asked loads of questions on bs7671 building regs
went through testing certs and schedules

tested my install for zs and rcd times.

happy everything was ok n shook my hand

i am now part p registered
 
jon jordan said:
well guys i passed my assesment today he was here 2.5 hrs

he was a great bloke went through all assesment with ease and he wasn't here to trip me up at all he wanted me to get through it

:? like i did

well done elecsa you put others to shame ..

asked loads of questions on bs7671 building regs
went through testing certs and schedules

tested my install for zs and rcd times.

happy everything was ok n shook my hand

i am now part p registered
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Well done.:cool:
 
questions on bonding , smoke alarms, rcd trip times ie 0.4 & 5 sec , building regs all parts inc ventallation, sound,

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basic talking but questions were answered in talking generally testing your knowledge on methodology.

i'll post more when i think of them but they were loads but not stressfull
i was well happy with assesor. mr chivers i think he was called

testing i had to do a zs & rcd test timings easy with a fluke 1652

well chuffed now cant wait for my van sticker hehe
 
Ray Chivers, if he got any more laid back he'd be asleep.

Same on mine, rather than firing questions at your making you panic and forget, he approaches it more like long chat about electrics and the regs.

Top bloke.
 
Amp David said:
Ray Chivers, if he got any more laid back he'd be asleep.

Same on mine, rather than firing questions at your making you panic and forget, he approaches it more like long chat about electrics and the regs.

Top bloke.
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i thought he was gunna stay the night he wa here that long ... must like our coffee n toilet ..
 
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