Notifiable works.

[UNG]

Crikey guys!! Bet this chaps wishing he never asked the question!

It looks like he did actually know that it wasn't notifiable as he mentioned not starting a new circuit, and he was just looking for a bit of reassurance as he wanted to do the right thing. He also mentioned the MWC which would be ok for extending a circuit, although he would actually need 2 MWC's as extending both lights and sockets.

I think you may have scared him off :leaving:

And your point is !!!! There are a lot of people that need scaring off from doing electrical work that they are not trained or competent to do

 

[Silly Sausage]

I was at ELEX the other week, NICEIE biggest stall there, loads of geezers in nice t shirts, hardly a punter in sight.
Asked a couple of them, where's the IET stand, didn't have a clue, you know the people who publish the regs... still a blank look.

That's where your money's going!!!

 

[trev]

That's where your money's going!!!

It certainly isn't going on the promotion of electrical safety that's for sure. When was the last time you saw an ad campaign on what dangers electricity presents?

 

[shanky887614]

The current situation should never have been allowed it should have been killed off at birth as a totally unfit for purpose system. The sparks back in the 70's and 80's thought the Skillcentres were bad turning out sparks in 6 months but they were no where near as bad as what is being turned out now



I can't see how these scams are needed in the industry they take money from any one and supposedly verify their competence to trade as an electrical installer ( won't use the term Electrician in this instance) and when these installers are found doing work way below the required standard these scams seem to hide under a stone and do nothing about it. I'm with Tel the sooner these scams cease to exist the better as they are vehicles for promoting poor training and giving under skilled poorly qualified operatives the credibility to trade

the main problem is not about how long you were trained but competence etc.

there is someone I know that did a full 4 year apprenticeship and is now qualified and I would rather have kev,wetpants ext trying there hands at electrics.

there that fooking rough.


if these fast tracked sparks etc are treated as electrician's directly under an onsite supervisor I dont see the issue if there not designing or doing anything too technical outside of there abilities.

 

[davesparks]

They must not be treated as electricians, they should be treated as first year apprentices until they have demonstrated competence to be considered as anything else.

 

[davesparks]

Unfortunately it is too late, the scams and the Electrical Trainee are now well established. All that would happen is all the Electrical Trainee would become members of the scams and use this when talking to customers.

What maybe should happen is all the Electrical Trainee become members of scams to use as ongoing competence while all time served sparks don't have to register with them as there competence is already proven over many years.

Yeah, that's the attitude that is going to really help, give up without even trying!

 

[shanky887614]

They must not be treated as electricians, they should be treated as first year apprentices until they have demonstrated competence to be considered as anything else.

you say that but they can do it neat if they try like a lot of people they just dont give a ----

 

[davesparks]

Doing something neatly doesn't make it correct.
You could very neatly install tails through individual stuffing glands in a TPN DB, but it'll still be a touch on the lethal side!

 

[shanky887614]

Doing something neatly doesn't make it correct.
You could very neatly install tails through individual stuffing glands in a TPN DB, but it'll still be a touch on the lethal side!

true but usually you don't get one without the other.

 

[trev]

Unfortunately it is too late, the scams and the Electrical Trainee are now well established.

That's exactly the complacent attitude that needs to be fought mate

the main problem is not about how long you were trained but competence etc.

The main problem as I see it is the fact that the r£egulatory bodies are taking everyone for mugs and very few people can see it. Multiply up all these £500 DI fees, add in £1000 multiplied by the ACs and you get the amount that one of them is raking in each year (a figure which is only going to grow as everyone who can afford the fee is going to get the badge they want whether it be DI or AC)
Now, how much of that is spent on doing what they're supposed to be doing which is promoting electrical safety? How can they promote electrical safety when everyone and his dog can get badged up?
The scenario is no better with any of them.