Retro style pendant lights and 3 plate wiring

[mattg4321]

Got a couple of fittings to put up for a customer soon. Wiring 3x 1mm T+E - 3 plated at ceiling light. No access to floor above. Customer is adamant they want these light fittings put up (or very similar).

Anybody got any clever ideas? To be honest I can't see any way this is going to work short of changing the plate on the ceiling to something similar but bigger/ bodging it with wages pushed into the ceiling void which clearly I'm not going to be doing.

http://www.lampsandlights.co.uk/images/zoom_ceiling-plate-small-single-cordgrip-metal-antique.jpg

 

[davesparks]

Is that besa standard size? If it is then a round plasterboard box might work, depending on ceiling construction and the weight of the fitting

 

[cdavies33]

Galv conduit loop in box or there is moulded wooden bases made for these

Large Wooden Ceiling Rose

 

[damo-p]

As mentioned above a round dry lining box if ceiling allows.

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[mattg4321]

Unfortunately cutting a box in isn't going to be an option as theres a 4x2 nogging above!

The wooden ceiling rose isn't going to give me any more space for connections?

 

[davesparks]

Unfortunately cutting a box in isn't going to be an option as theres a 4x2 nogging above!

The wooden ceiling rose isn't going to give me any more space for connections?

So cut a loop in box into the noggin, you only need a holesaw to chop it in

 

[Aindowsimon]

You can get wot is essentially a loop in box but with antique brass finish I've got one in the van I think


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[cdavies33]

Unfortunately cutting a box in isn't going to be an option as theres a 4x2 nogging above!

The wooden ceiling rose isn't going to give me any more space for connections?

If you drill the hole to 38mm, yeah.. You've got yourself a teeny tiny enclosure. Plus the depth of the flex outlet. Just 3 x 1 mm you got? If not galv loop in box

 

[cdavies33]

So cut a loop in box into the noggin, you only need a holesaw to chop it in

Ouch! thats nasty

 

[davesparks]

Ouch! thats nasty

What's nasty about it?

 

[cdavies33]

Weakening the joist holding the ceiling up

 

[sparksburnout]

Why don't you just cut a hole in the ceiling/noggin large enough to stuff wago connectors up and then just mount the fitting over the top? If there is no access above it's not going to pose a problem is it? Sometimes you just got to do what you have to do.

 

[ifindoubtdont]

All I can say is, where theres a will theres a bodge, with all our years of EXPERIENCE we should be able to come up with something the customer won,t notice or even say "Oooh that's nice".

 

[mattg4321]

Won't be just shoving the connections up into the void that's for sure. Proper lash up in my opinion! Bathroom above. What happens when it's refitted a few years down the line and the bodge is exposed!

Nogging was put there for the light fitting so cutting a hole out of it isn't a problem. The loop in box is a good idea. Lets hope the distance between screw holes is right!

 

[sparksburnout]

Won't be just shoving the connections up into the void that's for sure. Proper lash up in my opinion! Bathroom above. What happens when it's refitted a few years down the line and the bodge is exposed!

Nogging was put there for the light fitting so cutting a hole out of it isn't a problem. The loop in box is a good idea. Lets hope the distance between screw holes is right!

If you are worried just crimp and heat shrink them. There ain't a sparky in the land who has not done similar if there is REALLY no alternative. If it is "discovered" down the line the next guy will think "oh yeah I can see why he did that". There are 1000's of similar fittings up and down the land, stop overthinking it.

 

[Sintra]

Change the rose to one of these Antique Brass Ceiling Rose with metal cord grip there's loads of room for connections.

 

[sparksburnout]

Change the rose to one of these Antique Brass Ceiling Rose with metal cord grip there's loads of room for connections.

Good suggestion, although might not fit in with the customers requirements. They are in charge, at the end of the day.....

 

[davesparks]

Weakening the joist holding the ceiling up

How on earth is cutting a hole in a 4"x2" noggin going to weaken any joist?
A noggin and a joist are not the same thing! I very much doubt that it is a joist if it is only 4"x2" as joists are normally a damn sight bigger due to having a load bearing floor on them.

I realise I assumed that the noggin in question has been fitted purely for supporting the light, but what else would it likely be for at those dimensions?

 

[davesparks]

Won't be just shoving the connections up into the void that's for sure. Proper lash up in my opinion! Bathroom above. What happens when it's refitted a few years down the line and the bodge is exposed!

Nogging was put there for the light fitting so cutting a hole out of it isn't a problem. The loop in box is a good idea. Lets hope the distance between screw holes is right!

That's why I asked if its a standard besa pattern (they usually are)

 

[Andy78]

Good suggestion, although might not fit in with the customers requirements. They are in charge, at the end of the day.....

I've fitted those exact ones and there is heaps of room inside for connections.