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Hi, If anybody knows of any good Solar Sales people we have a few positions going. We're a strong and fast expanding company. Please contact me here asap.
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The best people in sales are very ethical and hate cowboys, they pull down the whole industry!
There is many hard working people in Solar on all sides, and we should all support each other as we are committed to focusing on giving the best service
to our customers, especially in these difficult times where DECC are behaving in the way that it is.
The best people in sales are very ethical and hate cowboys, they pull down the whole industry!
I'm sure they were just as passionate and knowledgeable when selling windows, driveways, blinds etc.
You have to wear a shiny suit, have bryl cream in your hair and tell porkies like the ones I found at my customer's this afteroon.
43p tariff for the 25 years - in black and white.
19% ROI from a 14k system
The guy has cashed in an Isa to take advantage of this fab offer - think I might too ...
The 19% ROI will be due to generous assumptions in the rate of inflation and energy price increases. Easy to whack in an assumption of 15% p.a. energy price increases (and get away with it because of the recent steep rises in the cost of our bills). The higher the rate of inflation, the faster the inflation-linked FiT will rise, and, the faster the inflation the more expensive electricity prices would become and therefore the more in-house savings which could be made by not having to import as much from the grid.
My rough 'n' ready calculation for a 4kWp/£12000 system suggests:
@43p FiT = 13.5% annual rate of return, but, of course, none of the original capital will ever be returned (it will be a near-worthless/depreciated asset), unlike most ISA's/bank accounts.
@21p FiT = 7.8% annual rate of return, but capital is not returned.
So with the "write-off" of the original outlay, the 43p FiT drops to 5% p.a. annual *real* return (i.e. return stripping out the effect of inflation).
The 21p FiT drops to 3% p.a. annual *real* return.
Then add on-top whatever you think the inflation rate will be (e.g. 4% inflation/RPI would make 9% ROI for 43p FiT and 7% ROI for 21p FiT).
The returns might lose another 1% p.a. if the inverter has a meltdown a couple of years after its warranty has expired; certainly it is very possible that the system will need a replacement inverter in the 25-year lifespan and potentially might need two new inverters over the government's 35-year assumed lifespan.
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Might get a bit of flack for this but want to reiterate the point that there are some good sales people who don't go out to rip people off but have a real passion for this.
Me for instance.
I'm not an electrician, I like business, I like selling to people and I believe in what I'm selling.
I run my own small solar company, I employ 2 Engineers, I pay my taxes etc and I earn a good living.
We became a limited company in 2009 having traded as a sole trader for a few years previous.
The economy needs salespeople as much as industry needs people to sell stuff for them.
Not everyone can sell, I certainly couldn't wire up a PV system.
The people that are ripping people off I hope are few and far between, I certainly haven't come across many 'really' bad ones and the green media industry are trying to spread the word to avoid them.
How many of you guys are ready to move your 'green' business forward?
Mass PV has gone for the time being- far too many other companies doing it now.
Got to diversify
So it was you...call the police and give yourself up..
I'm too honest, I'm afraid.
I tell people what they need to know, not what they want to hear.
My honest estimate of the *real* returns, over the 25-year FiT period, from a 4kW PV, would be 4.5% from the 43p FiT and 2.5% from the 21p FiT.
Stockmarkets have historically managed about 5% *real* over long periods of time, while bonds managed about 1% *real* and cash manages 0% real (i.e. cash, even with interest added, only just about holds its ability to buy what it did the day it was squirrelled away).
Then make a best guess as to what inflation will be and add that on top of the *real* return - but remember that gains made from inflation will be offset by the loss of buying power of the money.
Historically, inflation in the UK has averaged about 5% p.a. in the last 25-30 years, so it would be reasonable to add that to the rates of return mentioned above.
43p FiT = 4.5% *real*, 9.5% nominal, p.a.
21p FiT = 2.5% *real*, 7.5% nominal, p.a.
jeeeezzzz, how much are you charging!
for 43.3p At 3% inflation, just 8% fuel inflation and just10p per unit electricity cost I get 22% annualised over the 25 years, and thats at last novembers prices!!
A 4kw system isn't 11k anymore
I don't think anyone seriously beleieves that electricity price rises will be in line with inflation. I would judge 8% as a conservative figure.
Makes me wonder why you ever got involved in the industry if ity's such a dead duck!!!
that doesn't answer the question, being a scientist isn't a reason to get into selling PV
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recession or not, prices will rise, they will rise above inflation and anyone suggesting otherwise has, to be honest either lost the plot or has an extraordinarilly poor concept of basic economics!
The inevitable ongoing decline in North Sea gas output, increased reliance on more expensive LNG imports, and the vast majority of our newest generation capacity being gas fired.What's to say that - just as the sharply-rising fuel costs of the 1970's gave way to the stability of the 1980's and 1990's - that we perhaps aren't too far away from another period of stabilising prices?
there was a picture asside the article, a very elderly couple (80+) in a bungalow, you might as well just go out and mug elderly people on the street, it's a disgrace.
The economy needs salespeople as much as industry needs people to sell stuff for them.
Not everyone can sell, I certainly couldn't wire up a PV system.
As this is the solar installation section of an electricians forum, as against a general forum for all comers or for financial advice or speculators that would seem like a good idea.
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