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That's the only reason mate, Because it was the first post in the thread I couldn't delete the image without deleting the whole thread.My last thread was taken down due to copyright reasons, I think it was because I scanned a page from the wiring regs and posted it.
Can anyone tell me if this circuit design conforms to regs?
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Will this alteration be getting tested and a certificate produced ?
That's the only reason mate, Because it was the first post in the thread I couldn't delete the image without deleting the whole thread.
Nope alterations and additions do not need to be notified to building control so no certificate needed
The wiring regulations stipulate that all alterations are tested and certificated with the appropriate series of tests to verify safety. This is regardless of any need to notify work or not.
Thank you for pointing that out. The wiring regulations are only advisory. I will take your comment into consideration. My main concern at the moment is getting the design correct
Design is just advisory, crack on.
Thank you for pointing that out. The wiring regulations are only advisory. I will take your comment into consideration. My main concern at the moment is getting the design correct
I want the design to be safe, so I have decided to design it in accordance with BS7671 wiring regulations, my problem is I am not sure if this design conforms so I elected to consult the experts in this forum.
If you really wanted it to be safe you would consider that testing of the circuit is the only real way to prove it will function without risk to life or property.
I'm not being obstructive here but you really need to be honest with the forum in order to get on. You have not filled in any of your profile so nobody knows your qualification level or work. I feel that you are a DIYer doing up your own home with no electrical qualifications. Am I correct ?
Mate, if you want advice and help on this forum best you take good advice and use it - if you don't then we can only assume you go to work on a horse
You are correct. I am being honest, why do you think otherwise?
I can't help you anymore and nor should anyone else here. It would be professionally wrong of me to assist an incompetent person to do electrical work, especially when they have stated that they will pick and choose from the standard that our profession works to as it suits them.
I can't help you anymore and nor should anyone else here. It would be professionally wrong of me to assist an incompetent person to do electrical work, especially when they have stated that they will pick and choose from the standard that our profession works to as it suits them.
Are you saying if you do minor works on an installation, you then test and certify all your work? If so you are stealing money from your customers, because minor works only require a minor works certificate, minor works do not need to have an inspection and testing cert, therefore saying that the regs require all work to be tested is rubbish. You are simply making it up or you do not know the regs. To prove you know the regs, what page in BS7671 does it say that minor works need testing and certifying?
You seem confused. A minor works certificate and an installation certificate are both certificates. They are both required by BS7671 as described in sections 610.1 to 610.6
Please do not insinuate I am grabbing money from my customers without reason. If you understand the above sections then you will see I am only conforming to the regulations.
I issue appropriate certificates for the scope of the work completed. sometimes an installation certificate, sometimes a minor works certificate.Are you saying you issue an inspection and testing cert for minor works?
You have not told me what page it states minor works requires an inspection and testing cert
I issue appropriate certificates for the scope of the work completed. sometimes an installation certificate, sometimes a minor works certificate.
Section 610.4, and 610.6 pertain to the requirement for testing and inspection and certification of "minor works" as you call it.
Just had a little chat and noted Gigsy is a Trainee so we are looking at gaining access to the Trainee forum once he gives us the details, can you take this into account with any further responses, he is doing this work in his own house as well so lets give him a little room here to learn his trade
No problem. I will endeavour and persist with my explanations of BS7671 if Gigsy is interested.
My bedtime, please be nice to each other and if you have time Gigsy please fill your profile in for other members who may not venture into this thread
Oh ok i stand corrected, just looked at the Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate, You do need to do earth continuity test, insulation resistance test, earth fault loop impedance test and polarity test. I am sorry for all previous comments. I will have the work tested by a skilled person upon completion.
So when you change a light you have to do an insulation resistance test? So you would have to remove all the light bulbs on the whole circuit and do the test, just cos u changed a light?
Also RCD tests where relevant.
I would suggest that if you will be bringing in a skilled person to test your work that you arrange this prior to carrying out any more work. Whoever is signing the certificate may wish to stipulate design and installation methods, such as connections to ring circuits, and wish to see the installed cables at first fix stage.
Thank you for taking time to read the section on testing and certification. Although BS7671 is not a statutory document, it can be referred to in a court of law, by insurers, and by solicitors during house sales etc. It is good sense to get all work properly tested and certificated as evidence of safety.
Just before I go, if your changing a light fitting you just need to confirm the voltage and the integrity of the earthing (Earth loop Impedance) and that the circuit has no obvious issues like an incorrect OCPD etc, if however you are extending, altering or wiring new then a full test of the circuit is required and any of your work has to meet BS7671 regardless of whether the rest of the circuit does.
Are the 2 JBs MF? if not are they accessible?My last thread was taken down due to copyright reasons, I think it was because I scanned a page from the wiring regs and posted it.
Can anyone tell me if this circuit design conforms to regs?
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As the title says Work, it does not apply to domestic situations.Gigsy, you state that BS7671 isn't law, however, the Electricity at Work Regulations are law. Have a look at Regulation 4 of the EAW Regs - now it doesn't explicitly state that inspection and testing are required, however, if you think about it inspection and testing are absolutely required to ensure you comply with this regulation. Without inspection and testing how else are you able to prove that systems are safe etc?
Tosh. Work doesn't mean the location, it means the activity. As in doing work on the electrics.As the title says Work, it does not apply to domestic situations.
As the title says Work, it does not apply to domestic situations.
I probably didn't make it too clear I was understanding this is DIY query and that the op is not employed or being paid for these works, if this is the case E&WR 1989 do not apply. If I am incorrect in assuming this then they do.Tosh. Work doesn't mean the location, it means the activity. As in doing work on the electrics.
What I am saying, if employed or being paid as self employed then it applies, if a DIYer then it doesn't.It applies to employers,employed and self employed It dont matter whether the location is domestic or comercial/industrial
Well if Cert is required then someone would be employed and it would apply.In diy you can do anything unless it goes wrong or an insurance company/mortgage company or buyer requires a cert
Re read the post I was agreeing with what you said ie they can do anything UNLESS it goes wrong or an insurance company/mortgage company need a certWell if Cert is required then someone would be employed and it would apply.
My reading skills ain't what they wereRe read the post I was agreeing with what you said ie they can do anything UNLESS it goes wrong or an insurance company/mortgage company need a cert
They are push fit terminals with cable grips!Are the 2 JBs MF? if not are they accessible?
In the thread that got deleted, didn't you say you were considering this option because the builders had been in and put down a tiled floor? If this is correct and the work is under the remit of building control, it may be prudent to check up on the certification requirements of LABC so that the home owner can get a completion certificate.
As for getting somebody else to test and sign off - good luck with that one!
Gigsy, you state that BS7671 isn't law, however, the Electricity at Work Regulations are law. Have a look at Regulation 4 of the EAW Regs - now it doesn't explicitly state that inspection and testing are required, however, if you think about it inspection and testing are absolutely required to ensure you comply with this regulation. Without inspection and testing how else are you able to prove that systems are safe etc?
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