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Schools in my area have their own budgets and are able to employ contractors without having to use council approved contractors. NICEIC approved contractors are stipulated though. Most will require a documented H&S policy,and a current DBS check . Dont forget to ask to see the asbestos register before starting or quoting any work.
This is what get my rag - NICEIC is one of a number of bodies out there and to stipulate one is in breach of fair competition laws, the catch 22 though is if you challenge it then you might as well wave goodbuy to a chance of winning the contract.
Thanks guys, much appreciated.
I've definitely got the job but I'm still unsure on how they pay?
Thanks guys, much appreciated.
I've definitely got the job but I'm still unsure on how they pay?
Thanks guys, much appreciated.
I've definitely got the job but I'm still unsure on how they pay?
This is what get my rag - NICEIC is one of a number of bodies out there and to stipulate one is in breach of fair competition laws, the catch 22 though is if you challenge it then you might as well wave goodbuy to a chance of winning the contract.
Agreed,as you state it is because the NICEIC were the original body and remain the only one widely known by the public. I'll wager if you stated ELECSA,STROMA NAPIT etc to just about anyone outside of the electrical industry you'll get a blank look.
What most people dont seem to get is only the nic, napit and ECA assess you for commercial and industrial work as well, the others cover only domestic work so are not within the scope required in the first place
the school i work for accept either of these 3 and thats fair enough i think, but if your looking at working in the public sector on commercial works why would you even consider elecsa or stroma etc, it makes no sense
They do regarding energy saving schemes dave but I haven't seen a approved contractor status with them which is for companies carrying out other than Domestic work, they also need accredation themselves from others like EXOR for example before they get respect with Local authorities like the NICEIC currently does. New schemes like Stroma need to prove themselves first to County councils, currently they are concidered nothing more than a Part P scheme, perhaps they are building for the future but they have a way to go.No, BSI and Stroma also assess you for non domestic work
Napit is a laughed at scheme usually, there have been horror stories about them only carrying out 18 month checks and assessors with limited scope knowledge, they have a long way to go also before getting county council respect outside Domestic scope, JMO oh and JME.What most people dont seem to get is only the nic, napit and ECA assess you for commercial and industrial work as well, the others cover only domestic work so are not within the scope required in the first place
the school i work for accept either of these 3 and thats fair enough i think, but if your looking at working in the public sector on commercial works why would you even consider elecsa or stroma etc, it makes no sense
They do regarding energy saving schemes dave but I haven't seen a approved contractor status with them which is for companies carrying out other than Domestic work, they also need accredation themselves from others like EXOR for example before they get respect with Local authorities like the NICEIC currently does. New schemes like Stroma need to prove themselves first to County councils, currently they are concidered nothing more than a Part P scheme, perhaps they are building for the future but they have a way to go.
I am not doubting they are trying to gain certification away from the domestic sector Dave, just saying as far as councils are concerned they cannot justify it yet, it is too new for them, they need to prove it first. Look I don't make these comments lightly mate, I have attended County council meetings where contractors have asked the funding side of it about using other schemes and they have said that napit had to step up a gear and were falling short on conditions which were needed to be adhered to before being reckonised as compliant, they fell short on inspections times and inspector numbers along with other issues regading accounts access etc to be regarding in the same manner in their opinion as the NICEIC. Dave I don't like the fact the NICEIC dominate the councils but their approved contractor status is currently way ahead of the other schemes who are more concerned with Domestic systems. I appreciate Napit and Stroma etc are trying to gain credibility there, and will do so of course eventually but currently are way short on a lot of councils opinion, right or wrong, I am just saying what I have heard several times. And Napit are ahead of Stroma at the moment, Stroma is still very new.
Yes I agree, but that is what the county councils want, they have been running an approved contractor scheme for 40 years plus now and therefore are the accepted body of the Local authorities, the rest need to catch up, but are a way back yet.Well we are all truly ****ed if the NICEIC are considered to be above the British standards institute!
But the BS are standards not a regulary body sending out inspectors annually checking work from approved contractors in schools and libraries etc, big difference, I am not NICEIC friendly, just pointing out the obvious, for Stroma to gain acceptance by most councils as a competition to the NICEIC they need to up thier game and get away from the Part P schemes they seem to get attention in, there are few houses in county council control, it is schools and police/fire stations and libraiers etc etc, the city councils deal with housing, and this thread is about county council requirements.Well we are all truly ****ed if the NICEIC are considered to be above the British standards institute!
But the BS are standards not a regulary body sending out inspectors annually checking work from approved contractors in schools and libraries etc, big difference, I am not NICEIC friendly, just pointing out the obvious, for Stroma to gain acceptance by most councils as a competition to the NICEIC they need to up thier game and get away from the Part P schemes they seem to get attention in, there are few houses in county council control, it is schools and police/fire stations and libraiers etc etc, the city councils deal with housing, and this thread is about county council requirements.
Never heard of them inspecting members and the NICEIC do have 11000, it is no good trying to argue Stromas case, they will need to adapt to a scheme inspecting Commercial and Industrial work by letting the Local authorities know and by adhereing to the local authorities requirements, they are not there yet, they are new and trying to get there, they will, but at the moment the NICEIC have the market with the Approved contractor scheme, I have been doing this 33 years and have been to dozens of meetings, I am not making this up, I have seen Napit attempt to get in the door and fall due to not meeting requirments, they are also too pro Part P, to get into the schools most, not all but Most Local authorities want the established NICEIC, it is a fact and for it to change the others need to up their game lol.The BSI scheme does do exactly that, the same as all of the other schemes
The thing is with the NICEIC the inspectors are different from the Domestic installer inspectors, the NICEIC treat the 2 bodies as different bodies, the same organisation but they keep them apart, If stroma did a similar thing and could adhere to the L A requirements they may get in the door, but they are associated with Part P only, bad marketing, I have just looked at their site and nothing stands out as anything other than Domestic and Green at first look to me.
Never heard of them inspecting members and the NICEIC do have 11000, it is no good trying to argue Stromas case, they will need to adapt to a scheme inspecting Commercial and Industrial work by letting the Local authorities know and by adhereing to the local authorities requirements, they are not there yet, they are new and trying to get there, they will, but at the moment the NICEIC have the market with the Approved contractor scheme, I have been doing this 33 years and have been to dozens of meetings, I am not making this up, I have seen Napit attempt to get in the door and fall due to not meeting requirments, they are also too pro Part P, to get into the schools most, not all but Most Local authorities want the established NICEIC, it is a fact and for it to change the others need to up their game lol.
So your saying all Electrical contractors on the NICEIC Approved contractor scheme do a **** job then? one word Dave=Bollox
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