Working on live distribution boards?

[Davehaywire]

Can anyone tell me if I'm asked to work on a live db be it TP or SP lv ,by my employer,as I have done for many many years in cases where the board cannot be isolated for various reasons.
if for some reason I'm electrocuted and I have a hot works permit or not, should my employers insurance cover me for injury,death,loss of work, or should I have my own insurance.
can you get insurance for hot works or not?
i have wondered about this for a while, I have a family now, so if for some reason the worst scenario happens,what happens? What can I or my employer do to cover for this?
can any1 enlighten me

 

[loplug]

any work that you do should be coverd by a method statement from your employer and there has to be very good reasons for working in a live panel not just be cause it is inconvenient to turn some offices off

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

If you have signed something somewhere that gets the employer out of liability then your screwed if you die

 

[dingledong]

if your caught by 2 phasas they can sweep you under the rug > so be a right git and work only single phase live ,then they have to hide your body

 

[Davehaywire]

Sounds about right mate

 

[amlu]

your steady hands and your jobs, if you not feeling comfortably doing something then dont do it.
have insulated tools you can trust, work with one hand a time keep another one in your pocket.
or get a big long extension and rig up some temporary supply for the places you need to disconnect.

 

[Guest111]

The term hot work implies using cutting or welding equipment normally or grinders,not live working.Personally I think in a fatality questions would be asked not only regarding the reasons for doing it but also your suitability,I.E if you had any special training.

 

[Guest111]

your steady hands and your jobs, if you not feeling comfortably doing something then dont do it.
have insulated tools you can trust, work with one hand a time keep another one in your pocket.
or get a big long extension and rig up some temporary supply for the places you need to disconnect.

I had a set of tools just for live work and they didn't get used for anything else,last thing you want is to go live and find a damaged tool.

 

[Pete999]

Your employer would surely be breaking the law by even allowing you to work live, the EAW will give you the parameters it's not to be taken lightly, the rules there to protect you. read them don;t work live

 

[Knobhead]

If the boards are the old style open bar type then kill them unless you really know what you’re doing. With modern 3Ph boards you would have to doing something stupid to get hurt.

 

[pete.willerton]

At my place of work we can't do any live tests!!!
Unless the DB is IP2x or it's isolated and temp barriers installed over every possible live part and if that can't be done it's noted as a code 3 and replaced before the next test.

 

[Darkwood]

If you don't touch the live bits then you'll be ok!... regardless of your cover!

 

[Guest111]

At my place of work we can't do any live tests!!!
Unless the DB is IP2x or it's isolated and temp barriers installed over every possible live part and if that can't be done it's noted as a code 3 and replaced before the next test.

I could see that causing problems in certain situations,however the scenarios wher live working is permitted are becoming more limited this is due partly to more rules and partly due to the amount of people who got killed or injured while working live when its either unnecessary or totally inappropriate.

 

[7029 dave]

Don't do it!! You know its a no no hse will have a field day. Power DOWN!!!

 

[Pete999]

Just wondering, ask your boss for a Risk Assessment, Safe System of work, see what he/she says when they tell you to work live. It's simple really you shouldn't the EAW lays down the rules and it's a legal document. I'm not sure of the exact words buts something along the lines of only if it's deemed a matter of life or death

 

[Guest111]

Work on or near live conductors

14. No person shall be engaged in any work activity on or so near any live conductor (other than one suitably covered with insulating material so as to prevent danger) that danger may arise unless–

(a)it is unreasonable in all the circumstances for it to be dead; and

(b)it is reasonable in all the circumstances for him to be at work on or near it while it is live; and

(c)suitable precautions (including where necessary the provision of suitable protective equipment) are taken to prevent injury.

section from EAWR on live working.

 

[Davehaywire]

If you don't touch the live bits then you'll be ok!... regardless of your cover!

Obviously ,but there is always the possibility of something outside of the norm that can affect the surrounding area you are working in. Something beyond your control

 

[Guest111]

heres a link to the full thing.

The Electricity at Work Regulations 1989

 

[Davehaywire]

I totally agree that's what I've always said, it's ok for the fat f*** asking me to just do it,it's only through years of experience that I can, but it only takes 1 occasion to finish me off and for what, because they don't want to shut a server room down!!

 

[Guest111]

I totally agree that's what I've always said, it's ok for the fat f*** asking me to just do it,it's only through years of experience that I can, but it only takes 1 occasion to finish me off and for what, because they don't want to shut a server room down!!

Thats the thing Dave and when your wife's a widow he'll turn round and say "I told him it must be turned off and as far as I was aware it was".

 

[Pete999]

heres a link to the full thing.

The Electricity at Work Regulations 1989

I need to learn how to do that,

 

[loplug]

here's the Guide From Hse

 

[Knobhead]

Can’t say I blame them. I wouldn’t let you shut it down. If you don’t know what’s live in a board why are working for them.

 

[benji]

regulations implemented by people who have never done the job or were so crap at it they took a h&s position

 

[Pete999]

regulations implemented by people who have never done the job or were so crap at it they took a h&s position

Never heard so much clap trap in all my life

 

[benji]

ups ive upset somebody

 

[pete.willerton]

We had a chap at work recently who got a electric shock just doing r1+r2s and shorted out a phase
The flash was so bad burnt his beard and burns on his hand....
He lost his job due to not following safe isolation
Don't work live unless PPE along with risk and method but remember PPE is the last line of defence
And power can always be turne o

 

[Knobhead]

regulations implemented by people who have never done the job or were so crap at it they took a h&s position

Couldn't agree more.

 

[netblindpaul]

At my place of work we can't do any live tests!!!
Unless the DB is IP2x or it's isolated and temp barriers installed over every possible live part and if that can't be done it's noted as a code 3 and replaced before the next test.

Well your H&S people are muppets then.

Live testing is NOT live working, according to HSE anyway.

 

[netblindpaul]

Couldn't agree more.

Well I disagree in spades.

There is a HUGE difference between live working & live testing.

There is NO excuse for live working in a domestic, commercial or industrial premise.