JIB Electrotechnical Certification Scheme (ECS) Another jib thread - sorry!!!!

[tommy.dale]

There's thousands of posts on this but i cant seem to find anyone in my particular situation, and I have rung the jib but as rear usual they give conflicting answers so here it goes,

im after the elusive gold approved card my quals are:

2330 lv 2
2330 lv 3
17th (haven't taken the amendment)
2356 nvq3
2391
2377 pat testing
2399 solar pv/rerenewables

but I haven't got the am2, I've just completed back in January the nvq via delta training

jib are saying I need am2 but some aren't cant someone please stead some light I promise I've looked through all pages regarding my situation but I feel lost

thanks everyone!

tom

 

[iamelectric]

delta training?

 

[tommy.dale]

Yes mate why do you ask?

 

[tommy.dale]

Sorry I completed the nvq last decemeber

 

[iamelectric]

whats delta training

 

[tommy.dale]

Electrical Training Courses & Electrical Courses | Electrician Course from Delta Electrical Training

Training provider,i done the nvq 2356 online as it was the easiest option for me at the time got the proper c&g cert etc

 

[shanky887614]

the am2 is part of 2330.

it supposed to be done after nvq to prove competency

 

[iamelectric]

dont know about england but in scotland sjib dont recognise these training courses , they are a con

 

[tommy.dale]

My boss at the time was a absolute grinch and didn't let me take the time off and I couldn't do it, will I still be graded approved?

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dont know about england but in scotland sjib dont recognise these training courses , they are a con

May be a con but I came out with the 2356 nvq cert

 

[iamelectric]

not sure mate , may be different down there but no chance up here unless your have done the 4 years at college and your AM2

 

[shagbite]

looking at your qual's you should be eligible for the gold card. adults that have the 2356 are not required to do the am2 - and you don't need the amendment for the 17th.

 

[tommy.dale]

I done a 3 year apprentiship and came out my time back in 2009 but didn't complete the nvq or am2 so I went with delta training before the 2356 changed in jan??

Am I classed as a adult learner?
Thanks for everyone's input btw

 

[shagbite]

dont know about england but in scotland sjib dont recognise these training courses , they are a con

apart from pat testing and solar power, the qualifications that he has are exactly the same as the ones that time served apprentices have. they're not short course qual's (apart from 17th and 2391 - but they're add-ons).

 

[shagbite]

I done a 3 year apprentiship and came out my time back in 2009 but didn't complete the nvq or am2 so I went with delta training before the 2356 changed in jan??

Am I classed as a adult learner?
Thanks for everyone's input btw

you should be classed as an electrician - you've got 2330 levels 2 and 3, nvq level 3 and 17th. after two years you can apply for 'approved' seeing as you've got 2391.

 

[iamelectric]

i know mate and am not want to p**s on anyones parade but i have heard of guys doing these courses paying a lot of money promised big things then sjib dont recognise them

 

[iamelectric]

surely theres someone on this forum that works for the jib

 

[tommy.dale]

you should be classed as an electrician - you've got 2330 levels 2 and 3, nvq level 3 and 17th. after two years you can apply for 'approved' seeing as you've got 2391.

Finished my lv 2 in 2007 my lv 3 in 2008/2009
So would it be 2 years from this or 2 years from my 2391 and 17th which where done at the same time and completed in 2011?
Sorry for the questions just wana try and clarify it all,

and I don't agree with the short courses I done the day release apprentiship!

 

[iamelectric]

hope you get it sorted mate

 

[shagbite]

you'd have to have your gold card for two years before they'd consider you for an approved grade. so it's 2 years from the day you get your jib gold card, not two years from the date you got your 2391.

 

[shagbite]

i know mate and am not want to p**s on anyones parade but i have heard of guys doing these courses paying a lot of money promised big things then sjib dont recognise them

had a quick butcher's at the sjib site and, if i read it right, it does seem as though they'll only give you a grading if you've served an apprenticeship.

if that's the case, it makes me think that they won't recognise english jib gold card holders that haven't done an apprenticeship.

 

[KAS1]

nice 1 SJIB keeping standards up IMO

 

[shagbite]

nice 1 SJIB keeping standards up IMO

you could say that. but getting a jib card down here's no walk in the park. and i've worked with scottish sparks that were dog rough.

 

[Guest55]

im after the elusive gold approved card my quals are:

2330 lv 2
2330 lv 3
17th (haven't taken the amendment)
2356 nvq3
2391
2377 pat testing
2399 solar pv/rerenewables

loads of C&G numbers , but as usual absolutely no mention of work experience or types
of jobs / roles undertaken ??

everyone seems to think getting a gold card is some sort of ticket chase - its not , they want to see a checkable career path.
and as shagbite says , everyone has to hold standard electrician grade for 2 years before getting approved.

 

[KAS1]

There's dog rough sparks all over the UK and some bloody good one's north and south of the border, I was referring to the "if that's the case, it makes me think that they won't recognise English jib gold card holders that haven't done an apprenticeship." that makes perfect sense to me.

 

[tommy.dale]

Right bearing in mind I've never had a jib card before as I've never worked for a jib firm I thought the gold card was the approved, and when you say I have to have a jib for 2 years then apply all I can find on that matter is


(2) Must have had two years' experience working as an Electrician subsequent to the satisfactory completion of training and immediately prior to the application for this grade.


I have we'll over 2 years experience but not 2 years with a card??


Que my breakdown any minute! Lol

 

[KAS1]

Too many C&G numbers, coming out of peoples ears lol time we had a C&G 007

 

[shagbite]

There's dog rough sparks all over the UK and some bloody good one's north and south of the border, I was referring to the "if that's the case, it makes me think that they won't recognise English jib gold card holders that haven't done an apprenticeship." that makes perfect sense to me.

the point i was making in that statement was, how can you discriminate between gold card holders? you're either a jib graded spark or you're not.

and apprentice trained doesn't mean guaranteed top quality. like you said, there's good and bad everywhere.

 

[Guest55]

Right bearing in mind I've never had a jib card before as I've never worked for a jib firm I thought the gold card was the approved, and when you say I have to have a jib for 2 years then apply all I can find on that matter is


(2) Must have had two years' experience working as an Electrician subsequent to the satisfactory completion of training and immediately prior to the application for this grade.


I have we'll over 2 years experience but not 2 years with a card??


Que my breakdown any minute! Lol

are you listening carefully ? i'll run through it one more time.............

send off your application with all the documentation they ask for....

if you meet the criteria , they will issue you a gold ECS card with the grading of electrician.

2 years after getting the first card , you can then apply for approved status , but they wont give it automatically just cos you got the 2391 , they will also want employer references proving that youve carried out all the duties and responsibilities of an approved electrician in recent roles.

and it doesnt matter if youve never worked for a jib company either.

got it ?
sheesh.
;-)

 

[tommy.dale]

loads of C&G numbers , but as usual absolutely no mention of work experience or types
of jobs / roles undertaken ??

everyone seems to think getting a gold card is some sort of ticket chase - its not , they want to see a checkable career path.
and as shagbite says , everyone has to hold standard electrician grade for 2 years before getting approved.

Fair point, I've done shop fitting converting the costa coffees around the uk, I've worked on the council contracts, decent homes contract, agency for 6 months (Luton a&e fire alarms and the shard to name a few) now I work for BP on the petrol stations so a lot of TT work, I've done quite a broad range to be honest, wouldn't class myself as the mutts nutts as I'm learning every day although I've definitely class myself as competent.

 

[KAS1]

I agree no discrimination, I think the JIB should take a leaf out of the SJIB's book so they both sing from the same hymn sheet as they say

 

[tommy.dale]

are you listening carefully ? i'll run through it one more time.............

send off your application with all the documentation they ask for....

if you meet the criteria , they will issue you a gold ECS card with the grading of electrician.

2 years after getting the first card , you can then apply for approved status , but they wont give it automatically just cos you got the 2391 , they will also want employer references proving that youve carried out all the duties and responsibilities of an approved electrician in recent roles.

and it doesnt matter if youve never worked for a jib company either.

got it ?
sheesh.
;-)

Yes thank you very much mate

 

[Guest55]

Fair point, I've done shop fitting converting the costa coffees around the uk, I've worked on the council contracts, decent homes contract, agency for 6 months (Luton a&e fire alarms and the shard to name a few) now I work for BP on the petrol stations so a lot of TT work, I've done quite a broad range to be honest, wouldn't class myself as the mutts nutts as I'm learning every day although I've definitely class myself as competent.

good ! thats alot more important than the latest ****y pat testing cert.

 

[shagbite]

Fair point, I've done shop fitting converting the costa coffees around the uk, I've worked on the council contracts, decent homes contract, agency for 6 months (Luton a&e fire alarms and the shard to name a few) now I work for BP on the petrol stations so a lot of TT work, I've done quite a broad range to be honest, wouldn't class myself as the mutts nutts as I'm learning every day although I've definitely class myself as competent.

you should be eligible with that track record. as long as you were doing electrics and not making the frappe whatsits??

 

[iamelectric]

biff is spot on, but its nothing against you tommy its these f in training centres they should be shut down av never heard of anyone gettin sorted thru them its all a con

 

[shagbite]

I agree no discrimination, I think the JIB should take a leaf out of the SJIB's book so they both sing from the same hymn sheet as they say

well they're not going to do that until they make apprenticeships available to more people.

 

[Guest55]

I agree no discrimination, I think the JIB should take a leaf out of the SJIB's book so they both sing from the same hymn sheet as they say

who cares how the haggis munchers run their operation north of the border.
its not as if theres thousands of english sparks queueing up to work in scotland.

 

[tommy.dale]

Yeah I studied at Langley college day release, I'm sure one the posters here is either my old lecturer or his son he was called phill watts and is associated with the poster widdler I think??


Anyway biff I thought that the 2377 pat test made you a qualified spark?

 

[tommy.dale]

you should be eligible with that track record. as long as you were doing electrics and not making the frappe whatsits??

Fropaloppachino?

 

[shagbite]

who cares how the haggis munchers run their operation north of the border.
its not as if theres thousands of english sparks queueing up to work in scotland.

as opposed to vice versa............coming down here, sh***ing our women.

 

[iamelectric]

in haggisland you can do an adult apprenticeship for free as long you are working in this case with all ur certs you would get away with doing only the last 2 years and doing the am2 ie trade test but no matter how many years experience you have you still have to do a further 2 years to be approved

 

[tommy.dale]

as opposed to vice versa............coming down here, sh***ing our women.

Most of the women look like men anyway! Lol

 

[Guest55]

as opposed to vice versa............coming down here, sh***ing our women.

youre preaching to the choir here lol
remember i live in blackpool , which is always the first port of call for all defecting glaswegians.
;-)

 

[shagbite]

tell me about it. every time i go to blackpool i try and find someone with a lancashire accent - mission impossible - they're all scottish or scouse.

 

[iamelectric]

btw approved means nothing a know a few who are approved and couldny put a nut in a monkeys mooth

 

[shagbite]

sjib approved?

 

[iamelectric]

yes theres no other approved

 

[shagbite]

so the sjib, approve, apprentice trained sub standard sparkies?

 

[iamelectric]

as far as i know you do an exam and a practical test and must prove you have been working ie put forward by your work , but as we all know you can have all the certs in the world but still not be up to much on site ,experience is the best qualification , i have 2394 and hopefully 2395 but am s**** at testing because i dont do it

 

[Engineer54]

Some here stated that the SJIB don't recognise NVQ 3 gained via training centre's. How can that be, the NVQ itself is a C&G qualification, so if a bona fide C&G certificate has been issued, how can they refuse to recognise it??

I think a bit of hearsay is creeping in here!! lol!!

For all of the JIB and SJIB faults, they are a solid brick/concrete wall to the Electrical Trainee etc, that seem to dominate the domestic sector these days...

 

[shagbite]

Some here stated that the SJIB don't recognise NVQ 3 gained via training centre's. after a cursory glance at the sjib site, it would appear that they only give out gold cards to time served sparks (i may be wrong, i only gave it a quick look), but that leads me to question whether or not sjib sites would allow (non apprentice trained) jib sparks on their jobs (just a thought - not a statement).

How can that be, the NVQ itself is a C&G qualification, so if a bona fide C&G certificate has been issued, how can they refuse to recognise it?? my point exactly. it doesn't matter if you took the exam in college or in the boot of your dad's car, the qualifications are exactly the same. and whether you're apprentice trained or an adult trainee, the constituent parts that make up a "fully qualified spark" are no different (technical cert's + 17th + nvq3 + am2 - in some cases). the only difference i can see on the jib cards is some of them have printed on the back - served apprenticeship.

I think a bit of hearsay is creeping in here!! lol!!

For all of the JIB and SJIB faults, they are a solid brick/concrete wall to the Electrical Trainee etc, that seem to dominate the domestic sector these days...agreed, 100%.

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