Hager Metal Consumer Units

[Essex_]

In the last year there has been a 500% rise in Romanian nationals in the capital. In the same period there has been a 100% rise in cash point fraud. Are those statistics hard evidence that Romanian criminals are contributing to this rise in cash pint frauds? No, but it sure as hell is pointing a rather large finger in their direction!

Bury your head in the sand all you like mate, ignore what the statistics are suggesting, that's your look out. I for one see quite a worrying correlation though, and the fact that the whole weight of the justification for your point rests on the shoulders of one experience suggests that it is you that is making the snap judgements here, not I.

Absolute rubbish. So what you are doing is picking two figures that have risen and decided they go together. There has also been a 400% rise in traffic wardens so why are they equally not responsible cash point thefts.

I hear enough of this crap in the media and my son (who is half Romanian) is scared to admit his ancestry because of comments like this.

 

[D Skelton]

Absolute rubbish. So what you are doing is picking two figures that have risen and decided they go together. There has also been a 400% rise in traffic wardens so why are they equally not responsible cash point thefts.

I hear enough of this crap in the media and my son (who is half Romanian) is scared to admit his ancestry because of comments like this.

Ah sorry, I forgot that because your son is half Romanian I am no longer allowed to point to statistics that at least suggest a certain cause, thus meaning I am automatically talking rubbish. I forgot that a viewpoint that might offend a small minority of people automatically becomes invalid simply because of the offence it may cause.

Traffic wardens don't exactly have a history of running gangs that target cash points do they?!

The point I was making is clear. This thread is not about cash point thieves, however there is an argument to be made, and a very valid one I might add, that a rise in house fires caused by faulty wiring since the inception of Part P could be caused by a rise in under trained, unqualified chancers that have also been on the rise since the inception of Part P.

At no point did I say it was all down to them, similarly I'm sure not all cash point fraud is down to Romanian criminals. A lot of it is though.

 

[Marvo]

We have a politics forum for this kind of debate.

If this thread doesn't get back on and stay on topic it will be closed.

 

[D Skelton]

In rolls the silencer of free debate.

Welcome oh great one.

It was off topic the second we started talking about anything other than the new Hager Design range of boards. Better close this whole mess down now! Before you know it we'll be talking about tripping RCDs! God forbid!

 

[ipf]

We have a politics forum for this kind of debate.

If this thread doesn't get back on and stay on topic it will be closed.

Who's to say Hager (and the rest) aren't getting into the ACM game.....next stage...need a card and PIN to get into a steel CU....even if it is on fire.


Just to bring us back on topic, Marvo..:icon12:

 

[Delboybully]

In rolls the silencer of free debate.

Welcome oh great one.

It was off topic the second we started talking about anything other than the new Hager Design range of boards. Better close this whole mess down now! Before you know it we'll be talking about tripping RCDs! God forbid!

I think that is harsh on Marvo.

This thread started on Hager metal CUs, moved onto Electrical Trainee bashing and then you, to make a point, started moving it onto Romanians. I understand why you used the Romanians to make your point but I suspect without Marvos involvement this thread would go completely off topic.

Marvo just said that if you want to talk about politics then maybe you should start a thread in a different area, he is just stepping it to stop the thread going off topic

 

[Engineer54]

Statistic are like a woman in a bikini. They reveal a lot but hide the essential facts.

I've seen no more hard evidence that these fires are attributable to Electrical Trainee than they are to Martians. If anyone has any links to some proof then I'd be interested to read it. Maybe all these fires were caused by eastern Europeans doing cut price electrical work and maybe not?

This year I've seen the results of one C U fire. The usual ****ty plastic MK dual RCD £30 nonsense. Fitted by a 60 year old apprenticed 'been a spark all my life' and still think MK is as good as it was 30 years ago bloke. The cause of the fire was a loose neutral.

Nah, stuff it, its all the fault of Electrical Trainee

Are you saying that this MK plastic CU actually caught fire, or that the RCD did??

Yep i agree, and you wouldn't be far wrong either!! lol!!

 

[Engineer54]

I think that is harsh on Marvo.

This thread started on Hager metal CUs, moved onto Electrical Trainee bashing and then you, to make a point, started moving it onto Romanians. I understand why you used the Romanians to make your point but I suspect without Marvos involvement this thread would go completely off topic.

Marvo just said that if you want to talk about politics then maybe you should start a thread in a different area, he is just stepping it to stop the thread going off topic

No, it was/is a direct threat of closure, where none is/was warranted or needed.
It was on and off topic all the way through, that's what generally happens during any debate...

 

[UNG]

Statistic are like a woman in a bikini. They reveal a lot but hide the essential facts.

I've seen no more hard evidence that these fires are attributable to Electrical Trainee than they are to Martians. If anyone has any links to some proof then I'd be interested to read it. Maybe all these fires were caused by eastern Europeans doing cut price electrical work and maybe not?

This year I've seen the results of one C U fire. The usual ****ty plastic MK dual RCD £30 nonsense. Fitted by a 60 year old apprenticed 'been a spark all my life' and still think MK is as good as it was 30 years ago bloke. The cause of the fire was a loose neutral.

Nah, stuff it, its all the fault of Electrical Trainee

So how do you interpret the statistics given the changing circumstances of the industry during the period they represent you have analysed one fire only another 779 to analyse and thats just the LFB stats

So what you and ENG54 are saying is that all CU fires are caused by 5WWs. Is there some evidence for this or is this your assumption. If all CUs that have caught fire have been installed or worked on by 5WWs then I will agree with you otherwise I think you should keep to evidence based statements.

Have you considered the cause of these fires may be due to the inferior quality of modern day CUs?

The figures for the LFB show a 10 fold increase so only 90% could really be attributed to Part P, Electrical Trainee, 17DW and the 17th edition regs. What it needs is some joined up stats as to whether any notifiable work had been carried out where the fires occurred

Absolute rubbish. So what you are doing is picking two figures that have risen and decided they go together. There has also been a 400% rise in traffic wardens so why are they equally not responsible cash point thefts.

I hear enough of this crap in the media and my son (who is half Romanian) is scared to admit his ancestry because of comments like this.

Strange how the media is crap when it's going against you. I suppose the 400% increase in traffic wardens is responsible for more parking offences being committed

 

[richy3333]

In the last year there has been a 500% rise in Romanian nationals in the capital. In the same period there has been a 100% rise in cash point fraud. Are those statistics hard evidence that Romanian criminals are contributing to this rise in cash pint frauds? No, but it sure as hell is pointing a rather large finger in their direction!

Bury your head in the sand all you like mate, ignore what the statistics are suggesting, that's your look out. I for one see quite a worrying correlation though, and the fact that the whole weight of the justification for your point rests on the shoulders of one experience suggests that it is you that is making the snap judgements here, not I.

Given the considerable in depth research you have undertaken on the subject of this new 'requirement' please can you direct me to the evidence that has come to light that these CU fires are caused by Electrical Trainee? I ask out of genuine interest not as provocation. I still maintain that statistics can be manipulated read whatever a person wants. Politicians do it all the time.