Hob to socket distance - thoughts?

[Sibo14]

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Don’t like it, too close.

 

[Spoon]

That looks very close.. Well within the 300mm and not far up from the hob.
Whats the situation?

 

[buzzlightyear]

could have been to right a bit!

 

[Spoon]

Do they use the socket while using the cooker?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Looks like the 1 gang switch is 300mm from the sink.

 

[buzzlightyear]

That looks very close.. Well within the 300mm and not far up from the hob.
Whats the situation?

refurbished kitchen ?

 

[Spoon]

refurbished kitchen ?

Could be mate... Was just wondering what the OP is after... Could have done with more info....
It's a bit like me posting a pic of my bare bum up and asking for comments....

 

[Octopus]

There is no minimum distance in BS 7671 ...

why do you ask?

 

[Ian1981]

A local NHBC inspector for new builds in my area will allow 300mm sockets away from sinks and drainers and 100mm minimum from a heat source (hob) be it gas or electric.
As Murdoch says there’s no minimum distance stated in bs 7671 only that accessories should be suitable for the environment and proximity
I’ve read various industry guidance which gives a distance of 100mm from a heat source ,will most likely satisfy bs 7671.
If this is a new install then I’d say that socket is too close for my liking and common sense/judgement must be used.

 

[buzzlightyear]

There is no minimum distance in BS 7671 ...

so you can put them where you like is it Murdoch don't put your tin hat on .put a flack jacket in stead .

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Not somewhere that the accessory will be damaged by heat.

 

[Ian1981]

so you can put them where you like is it Murdoch !

i don’t think he’s implying that buzz

 

[Jamie']

All new builds I've worked out say 300mm from sink/drainer and same with heat sources.

 

[Ian1981]

All new builds I've worked out say 300mm from sink/drainer and same with heat sources.

May depend on your local NHBC as to what distances they will allow.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I think it was Pete who put a pdf on the forum about distances for hobs and sinks .

 

[Deleted member 26818]

All new builds I've worked out say 300mm from sink/drainer and same with heat sources.

Sink/drainer or just sink?
Would 300mm above a hob be safer than 100mm?

 

[Midwest]

Wonder what the manufacturers manual says about fitting the hob, less than 50mm from the upstand?

 

[Ian1981]

Distances from hobs will most likely fall into the realm of manufacturers instructions and what your local building inspector will allow.
As I said earlier the site I sometimes go on, the building inspector will allow a minimum of 100mm from the hob so I don’t think any pdf out there makes that much difference really.

 

[Ian1981]

Taken from the voltimum site.
It’s only someone’s opinion/guidance really

 

[Spoon]

The OP is still Online, without replying... maybe he's hoping for that pic I mentioned...

 

[Midwest]

I'm just wondering what you would possibly want to plug into that socket between sink & hob. iPad charger, for recipe advice?

 

[Midwest]

The OP is still Online, without replying... maybe he's hoping for that pic I mentioned...

I could post a picture of my cooker control (with socket) right next to my cooker, but I would be too feckin embarrassed

 

[Sibo14]

Whoops rest of my message went- so it’s a new build flat my girlfriends mate has bought. I was asked to do the snagging on it.
This is obviously too close from a common sense standpoint but I couldn’t find a reg to back it up. Should I push to get It moved for her..? The sparky mob are NIC and it’s generally pretty poor work throughout

 

[Ian1981]

Whoops rest of my message went- so it’s a new build flat my girlfriends mate has bought. I was asked to do the snagging on it.
This is obviously too close from a common sense standpoint but I couldn’t find a reg to back it up. Should I push to get It moved for her..? The sparky mob are NIC and it’s generally pretty poor work throughout

Can’t believe the NHBC inspector passed it as safe as on my site he’d flag it a red item

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I note there’s nothing to protect the wall and decor behind the hob.
Is the hob far enough from the wall that heat damage is not a problem?

 

[Midwest]

The OSG gives guidance on such distances for your 'evidence'. As its a new build seems a bit poor. Wasn't one of the first built, where someone got their measurements wrong?

They could just remove the socket and replace it with a blanking plate.

 

[Midwest]

I note there’s nothing to protect the wall and decor behind the hob.
Is the hob far enough from the wall that heat damage is not a problem?

See #18

 

[Deleted member 26818]

See #18

Was wondering what an upstand was.

 

[Midwest]

Was wondering what an upstand was.

Its the thing between the wall and that hot thing.

 

[Midwest]

I'm otta of here now, to cook the tea. Does anybody think it feels like Sunday?

 

[Spoon]

Was wondering what an upstand was.

I had to Google it....

 

[123]

Would have expected to see a splashback behind the hob, rather than an upstand

 

[Sibo14]

Well I’ll include it on the list with all the other stuff that was wrong see if they change it.
Might also send it to NIC see if they are happy with one of their approved contractors work.

 

[Amp David]

refurbished kitchen ?

Reckon you’re spot on. Been to loads of jobs to just change face plates after someones had a new kitchen, but because they’ve probably gone for the cheapest price on the kitchen install, no electrics have been altered to suit there lovely new kitchen layout

 

[Midwest]

Was wondering what an upstand was.

My #18 still 'stands'. Typical of some who do not read what others have already posted, nor care

 

[123]

My #18 still 'stands'. Typical of some who do not read what others have already posted, nor care

Needs a splashback behind that hob

 

[Des 56]

It seems to be a nitpicking of a problem

If it was to be altered and perhaps ends up swapping places with the switch,it will hardly be worth the bother

Any socket left in that restricted space is going to have the same problem as whats current ie,possible damage to the trailing flex(which by the way is the only real problem) more likely is damage to the body of a badly sited appliance

The training flex or the appliance are going to be the weak links not damage to a accessory on a wall from the heat source

Safety can only be improved if they get shot of the socket altogether

 

[Toneyz]

I used to have this argument on new build drawings just because a CAD drawing shows this is where the designer would like the socket does not always mean it can be positioned there kept on telling them you are supposed to be the qualified one to make these calls if what is shown does not comply.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

My #18 still 'stands'. Typical of some who do not read what others have already posted, nor care

Don’t think I’ve ever heard a wall referred to as an upstand?
Stone upstands do not a prison make....
Or as Isaac Newton once said “we build too many upstands and not enough bridges”.

 

[Midwest]

Don’t think I’ve ever heard a wall referred to as an upstand?
Stone upstands do not a prison make....
Or as Isaac Newton once said “we build too many upstands and not enough bridges”.

I refer my learned friend back to #30

 

[redbarnman]

You don't state what type of hob this is - halogen, ceramic, induction or how far the working heat source is on the black plate. However that is not the point, the socket is in a likely heat, steam and splash zone especially if I was doing the cooking. I would remove the socket, safely terminate the wires and fit a sealed flat plate.

 

[telectrix]

i'd remove the socket, then get the local wet-pants to fit me a shower in it's place... ready for my next chip pan fire.... be prepared.