Minor works certified with no RCD protection

[westward10]

Isn't changing an RCD or fitting a new protective device considered an alternation and therefore not minor works? It requires an Electrical Installation Certificate.

Also the old BS 4293 ae no longer compliant with BS 7671 and should be replaced if major alterations are taking place.

I don't think there is one part of this post which is correct or valid. I hope your are not giving this advise or completing EICRs with such comments.

 

[Pat H]

I did say it was only to be changed if major works were undertaken. For minor works I agree it would not be required.

And it would have been clearer if I'd said the BS4293 had been superceded rather than non compliant.

But I'm sure changing a protective device or adding one isn't covered under minor works. Page 418 of the regs.

 

[westward10]

I did say it was only to be changed if major works were undertaken. For minor works I agree it would not be required.

I have done works which you could consider more than minor and left BS3871, BS4293 etc.. in situ.

 

[Pat H]

Interesting to google the question is adding an RCD minor works. Lots of differing views.
My view is it falls outside minor as a change to the fixed wiring and normally related to the distribution board.
But interested to hear views both ways.

 

[westward10]

Interesting to google the question is adding an RCD minor works. Lots of differing views.
My view is it falls outside minor as a change to the fixed wiring and normally related to the distribution board.
But interested to hear views both ways.

Google away it is Minor Works.

 

[Octopus]

Interesting to google the question is adding an RCD minor works. Lots of differing views.
My view is it falls outside minor as a change to the fixed wiring and normally related to the distribution board.
But interested to hear views both ways.

Hum..... This post makes it so obvious you aren't working to earn a living as a spark as no spark would advocate filling out an EIC when they could do a single page MWC

 

[Deleted member 26818]

If it is an existing circuit, then any alteration to it is an alteration.
An EIC may be used or a MEIWC may be used.
If there are a number of circuits being altered then perhaps an EIC would be better as a MEIWC should only be used for a single circuit.

 

[Pat H]

Hum..... This post makes it so obvious you aren't working to earn a living as a spark as no spark would advocate filling out an EIC when they could do a single page MWC

You rumbled me Murdoch although reading my profile would have told you the same.
Yup I come from the Broadcast TV industry as an Engineer so Electrics was just part of my work over 30 years. And its a very different world to domestic as we have the time and budget not to need to cut corners.
That was then and I'm now delivering technical training a few days a month with pays the wages. The move to Domestic work was partly based on local demand and partly as an alternative local part time job (the technical training often involves travel and hotels) So my training and recent C&G exams are still fresh in my mind which is why its so interesting to hear opinions on these forums so different to what's being taught nowadays.

Maybe they teach at a "stricter" level on the assumption that exposer in the field will level the actual delivery? Who knows.

But yes I do have the luxury of only tackling the jobs I feel comfortable with and applying the regulations as I've been taught. If I'm losing work then others are gaining which is fine by me.

Apologies for the off topic wandering.

 

[Octopus]

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Yup I come from the Broadcast TV industry as an Engineer so Electrics was just part of my work over 30 years. And its a very different world to domestic as we have the time and budget not to need to cut corners.

Hum... a MWC is perfectly acceptable - how is that cutting corners?

 

[Pat H]

Because I was explicitly told it wasn't. So to do so would be to go against what I was taught.
But I'm sure time will wear of my new corners.