scotland again

[dingledong]

So if you could vote what would you vote ?

And what do you think the outcome will be ?

I am inclined to vote yes by about 5% but I think it will be a no result

 

[Octopus]

I'd vote yes to get rid of them! lol

 

[driverman]

i've not heard anything on TV discussions etc.......But if a Yes vote succeeded..what happens to the armed forces that protects our little Island......which of course will not be an island no more!

 

[BES]

If its a No vote are they going to do to salmond what they did to mel gibson at the end of braveheart.

 

[Adam W]

Salmon's 'plans' seem to have a lot of answered questions, and according to the press the Scotch would be much worse off if they broke away, such as the need for massive spending cuts in things like the NHS (Salmon is reported to have lied over the future of the NHS) and defence. Defence might not sound important but for one thing they'd lose the confidence of the US, which isn't the best as it is since they released the Lockerbie bomber.
Also in the papers are suggestions that things like groceries and mobile phone bills would increase, since they are consistent throughout the UK, but in Scotland they would have to supply more remote areas so the cost per customer would increase, which the companies would pass on to the customer.

Given the lack of clarity in Salmon's campaign it seems to be a vote between keeping things the way they are, or a vote for 'what's in the mystery box', so I think the Scotch would have to be mad to vote 'yes'.
Also in the papers today are reports that the 'yes' campaign have been trying to bully supporters of the 'no' campaign, which could well be skewing the opinion polls.

If the papers are to be believed, it will be a resounding 'no'.

 

[trev]

I disagree Adam, I think it's going to be a very close run thing. I also dispute what the supermarkets etc have said about having to supply remote areas therefore increased prices are inevitable, unless they plan to move all their outlets to the Shetlands then nothing is going to be any more remote than it is at present.
Talking to a few Scots I know the feeling is that the yes campaign is going to edge it. I blame the lacklutre no campaign for this, they have concentrated on why independence would be doom and gloom rather than stressing the positive aspects of remaining in the union.
Trotting out an Irishman (Geldof) and a Yemen born "comedian" (Izzard) to a rally in London the other night for them to add their weight to the campaign was frankly the height of stupidity. Why was the rally not held in Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Glasgow or any other place north of the border? It would have been far more relevant than Trafalgar Square.
They've had George Galloway likening the Yes campaign to Adolf Hitler And David bloody Beckham spouting off his opinion. Since when did he become the voice of informed and reasoned political debate
I can't help feeling, like you, that there are far too many unanswered questions for a yes to be a sensible choice but it seems like the no campaign have continually shot themselves in the foot.
I hope I'm wrong.

 

[brucelee]

I would vote NO The Union is what makes us different to the rest of the world, makes us stand out we are a nation of 4 countries and if 1 leaves we will all be worse off
We have fought for freedom together against the Nazis liberating millions of people from tyranny, When there are disasters in the world were one of the first nations to help. With Russia on the rise and China threatening everyone in there neighbourhood claiming control over seas or islands that aern't theres. I think there is more need for the union than ever, there is more that binds us than divides us. Its the torys at the minute but as he said he wont be here forever but independence is I didnt vote for them and like you I have to put up with them as the majority did vote for them.
Together we created and built the modern world apart we will all be poorer

 

[specs]

I can't help feeling, like you, that there are far too many unanswered questions for a yes to be a sensible choice but it seems like the no campaign have continually shot themselves in the foot.
I hope I'm wrong.

I totally agree mate.

 

[Marvo]

On the opposite side of the planet we don't get much info on this so I might have got the wrong end of the stick but from what I see whichever way the Scots vote they've won. Surely with all the new agreements that have been signed and stamped there's no way they can lose, whichever way the vote goes they've got more independence and autonomy than ever before and likewise whichever way the vote goes England or whatever it is that remains of the union will lose.

 

[Slowhand]

^^^ Same as it always is.

 

[CockneyReject]

The Yes campaigns too much of a blag to be a viable option it all just seems to be half truths to scare Westminster into giving Edinburgh more power, if the Yes campaign does win I don't think they'll know what to do as they are after more independance but have it funded by central government

 

[Octopus]

On the opposite side of the planet we don't get much info on this so I might have got the wrong end of the stick but from what I see whichever way the Scots vote they've won. Surely with all the new agreements that have been signed and stamped there's no way they can lose, whichever way the vote goes they've got more independence and autonomy than ever before and likewise whichever way the vote goes England or whatever it is that remains of the union will lose.

Nail hit and head spring to mind

 

[Kris]

I think it will be a big yes vote tomorrow. But your spot on marvo. Winners all round.

 

[trev]

The Yes campaigns too much of a blag to be a viable option it all just seems to be half truths to scare Westminster into giving Edinburgh more power

The no camp has been doing exactly the same though.
Supermarket prices will go up...no one has yet explained why this would automatically happen.
Today some ex service chiefs have said an independent Scotland would make the rest of the UK more prone to terrorist attacks...Once again, they didn't explain how.

 

[micknew]

On the opposite side of the planet we don't get much info on this so I might have got the wrong end of the stick but from what I see whichever way the Scots vote they've won. Surely with all the new agreements that have been signed and stamped there's no way they can lose, whichever way the vote goes they've got more independence and autonomy than ever before and likewise whichever way the vote goes England or whatever it is that remains of the union will lose.

Perhaps you haven't realized Marvo that Cameron has a history of lying, so we cant take to much notice of any promises he makes.

 

[Marvo]

Perhaps you haven't realized Marvo that Cameron has a history of lying, so we cant take to much notice of any promises he makes.

My understanding of UK politics is somewhere between sketchy and non-existant but the way I understood it was that these new offers in Scotlands favour were already approved and signed and couldn't be reneged upon.

 

[micknew]

My understanding of UK politics is somewhere between sketchy and non-existant but the way I understood it was that these new offers in Scotlands favour were already approved and signed and couldn't be reneged upon.

Yes, but what they will offer has not been declared.
They're very crafty and cannot be trusted.

 

[Kris]

I don't pay attention to none of the politics poo. They're all top class robbers .

 

[CockneyReject]

The no camp has been doing exactly the same though.
Supermarket prices will go up...no one has yet explained why this would automatically happen.
Today some ex service chiefs have said an independent Scotland would make the rest of the UK more prone to terrorist attacks...Once again, they didn't explain how.

your right mate the no camp is just as bad both sides couldn't explain their way out of a wet paper bag, and then you add the 3 biggest divvys in the country (Cameron, Clegg and Milliband) into the mix and it just gets better, school kids could do it better

 

[Marvo]

Yes, but what they will offer has not been declared.........

Okay, now I'm really confused and will keep quiet from here on in.

 

[micknew]

your right mate the no camp is just as bad both sides couldn't explain their way out of a wet paper bag, and then you add the 3 biggest divvys in the country (Cameron, Clegg and Milliband) into the mix and it just gets better, school kids could do it better

Brilliantly put, there's no hope for us.
Vote UKIP.

 

[CockneyReject]

I have to say mick I really don't think UKIP's any better I don't trust any of them they are in it for themselves and themselves only

working class revolution for the win

 

[dingledong]

Some German bank has backed Scotland and the yes vote today

 

[trev]

Some German bank has blacked Scotland and the yes vote today

where did you see that?
They can't have blacklisted Scotland because they're still part of the UK

 

[Slowhand]

The no camp has been doing exactly the same though.
Supermarket prices will go up...no one has yet explained why this would automatically happen.
Today some ex service chiefs have said an independent Scotland would make the rest of the UK more prone to terrorist attacks...Once again, they didn't explain how.

Perhaps the newly founded Republic of Scotland will be Haggis Bombing what's left of the UK or GB or whatever it'll be called in retribution for 300 years of occupation.

 

[dingledong]

where did you see that?
They can't have blacklisted Scotland because they're still part of the UK

My mistake it was backed Scotland saying that they can get through a yes vote
It was radio 4 news

 

[Adam W]

Trev not ALL the outlets will be moved to the Shetlands, but if there are branches of Tesco or Asda in the Shetlands (and other remote areas) that will drag up the average cost in Scotland. It's like how if you want to send something to a Scottish Island it costs more. It's not a 'racist' thing - it often costs more to send stuff to the Isle of Wight as well.

I would imagine the cost of a stamp would increase in an independent Scotland as well, although nobody has mentioned this as yet (apart from me, just then).

 

[trev]

Yeah but it costs Tesco x amount now to ship a can of beans to Kirkwall in the Orkneys. The cost of shipping that can of beans isn't going to go up just because Scotland votes one way is it?

 

[Adam W]

Yeah but it costs Tesco x amount now to ship a can of beans to Kirkwall in the Orkneys. The cost of shipping that can of beans isn't going to go up just because Scotland votes one way is it?

The average cost to Tesco to ship a can of beans will be higher in Scotland than it would be in the rest of the UK. Being a separate country, Tesco will be able to charge more in Scottish stores.

Theoretically this should mean prices in the streamlined UK should fall, but I can't see that happening.

 

[shanky887614]

i was up in scotland about a month ago and you couldnt walk 50 feet with seeing a sign or walking past a town crier demanding people vote yes,

 

[dingledong]

Lucky you weren't taken hostage

 

[Farmelectrics]

Don't really understand it but if they want to go tatty ho

 

[Farmelectrics]

Will they have to have there own reqs

 

[dingledong]

Don't you mean och I the noo

 

[dingledong]

Will they have to have there own reqs

They already do

 

[Octopus]

My understanding of UK politics is somewhere between sketchy and non-existant but the way I understood it was that these new offers in Scotlands favour were already approved and signed and couldn't be reneged upon.

I think they are "pledges" not promises, and I heard on the radio that rUK parliament would need to approve them!

 

[Octopus]

The average cost to Tesco to ship a can of beans will be higher in Scotland than it would be in the rest of the UK. Being a separate country, Tesco will be able to charge more in Scottish stores.

Theoretically this should mean prices in the streamlined UK should fall, but I can't see that happening.

Tescos and all the retailers vary their prices by town to town, day to day, up and down, on offer, 2 for 1, etc etc

Just compare Tesco's and Tesco's local prices!

its all done to confuse, screw customers and make profits.

 

[shanky887614]

Lucky you weren't taken hostage

aye i ca nae see why they let me leave

 

[pcam1984]

I'm due to vote tomorrow and I still am not 100% sure what way to go. I'll probably vote no. I dont like alex salmond or the majority of the people on the yes team and I dont think that they have been clear enough or answered all the questions asked. On the other side I feel that Scotland is more than capable of being independant and offer a lot to the UK economy and should have more of a say on our own affairs. Some of the underhand tactic from the yes campaign have been shocking, and they seem to want to make out that if you vote no then you are not Scottish. But again tonight I got an email from my employer which was supposed to detail the impact a yes vote would have on the company but actually ended up tearing into the yes campaign and was not about the company. There have been so many conflicting arguments on both sides which make the decision very difficult. As i said earlier I am leaning to the no side and will prob vote for this but some of the comments coming from down south are very narrow minded, to say basically the Scottish can f**k off and crash and burn is not helpful and that the rest of the UK should be worried if there is a yes vote as Scotland play a larger part and contribute far more to the union than we are given credit for.

 

[dingledong]

That's how they will make their money kidnapping and they will stand around you with their kilts pulled up over their heads demanding money

 

[Engineer54]

I'm due to vote tomorrow and I still am not 100% sure what way to go. I'll probably vote no. I dont like alex salmond or the majority of the people on the yes team and I dont think that they have been clear enough or answered all the questions asked. On the other side I feel that Scotland is more than capable of being independant and offer a lot to the UK economy and should have more of a say on our own affairs. Some of the underhand tactic from the yes campaign have been shocking, and they seem to want to make out that if you vote no then you are not Scottish. But again tonight I got an email from my employer which was supposed to detail the impact a yes vote would have on the company but actually ended up tearing into the yes campaign and was not about the company. There have been so many conflicting arguments on both sides which make the decision very difficult. As i said earlier I am leaning to the no side and will prob vote for this but some of the comments coming from down south are very narrow minded, to say basically the Scottish can f**k off and crash and burn is not helpful and that the rest of the UK should be worried if there is a yes vote as Scotland play a larger part and contribute far more to the union than we are given credit for.

They haven't been clear on answering ANY of the really important questions or even remotely upfront about many other important questions. The fact is they ''Can't'' answer them because they don't know the answers themselves!! The SNP brought out a dossier type paper several years ago on how they intend to create and run an independant Scotland. That paper i believe has been refined several times. It consists of around 560 odd pages, but remarkably just ONE page set's anything out as far as financial matters go. lol!! So yep, they know what they're doing alright!!! lol!! So after all these years of planning, the vote is tomorrow and they still have absolutely no idea what currency the country will be using should they win!!! Who in their right mind would vote for Alex Salmond and his Yes campaign??? lol!!

 

[Knobhead]

There’s bugger all I can do about it whichever way it goes so why should I worry?

That is so long as they don’t start paying my pension in groats.

 

[jamie-spark]

On the opposite side of the planet we don't get much info on this so I might have got the wrong end of the stick but from what I see whichever way the Scots vote they've won. Surely with all the new agreements that have been signed and stamped there's no way they can lose, whichever way the vote goes they've got more independence and autonomy than ever before and likewise whichever way the vote goes England or whatever it is that remains of the union will lose.

There is Tory back benches that have already came out and vowed to block any such move to give us more powers.

 

[Engineer54]

You're are worried about some Tory backbenchers that you can count on one hand??

Be worried, no be very worried what will happen if the Yes vote wins!! You'll then have to face just how ill prepared and just how wrong the SNP are, with no way back. But Alex Salmond will still have a grin from ear to ear, as he'll be going down in history as the man that gave Scotlands it's independance, so he doesn't give a ****e about at what cost....

 

[tazz]

In the next few years....we will have more immigrants to worry about...!!

 

[jamie-spark]

There will be no border control that was another scaremongering tactic used by the no campaign

 

[jamie-spark]

You're are worried about some Tory backbenchers that you can count on one hand??

Be worried, no be very worried what will happen if the Yes vote wins!! You'll then have to face just how ill prepared and just how wrong the SNP are, with no way back. But Alex Salmond will still have a grin from ear to ear, as he'll be going down in history as the man that gave Scotlands it's independance, so he doesn't give a ****e about at what cost....

These powers are not a given. They have to go through parliament.

Up until a month ago I was a no voter. A friend then passes me information, that is not widely published by a bias media. I get the feeling it's edging towards a yes vote.

 

[dingledong]

So do I ! ! ! !

 

[dingledong]

Will Scottish imports cost more like irn bru Scottish rock Scottish pancakes and haggis
Or will there be a new wave of smuggling bringing it in

 

[Victor]

Just take a look at Jersey. It is not part of the United Kingdom, sets its own laws and taxes and still uses the pound. Why could Scotland not do the same?