This should have happened years ago

[Octopus]

Pretty much as it says:


BBC News - Government crackdown on mobile 'notspots'

I live in Surrey where the number of black holes in the mobile network seem to get larger by the day!

 

[Guest111]

My streets a nightmare,all the others are good but ours is terrible,sometimes I've no signal at all which isn't clever when you only use a mobile.

 

[Octopus]

My streets a nightmare,all the others are good but ours is terrible,sometimes I've no signal at all which isn't clever when you only use a mobile.

If you are on Vodafone and have broadband you should invest in a Sure Signal!

 

[RyanCheetham]

My phone loses signal in the same 3 places every time I drive through them. Near Morrisons in Farnborough, just past Fleet services on the M3 and again for the duration of the off and on ramps for Hook on the M3. Very annoying, stupid o2!

 

[Besoeker]

Why is the government involved in this?

 

[Octopus]

Why is the government involved in this?

Probably because the mobile companies won't sort it out unless a gun is pointed at them.

Are you happy paying for a service which isn't available? I'm not!

 

[telectrix]

Why is the government involved in this?

because they can't trace you by your phone in a non-coverage area.

 

[Octopus]

because they can't trace you by your phone in a non-coverage area.

I beg to disagree with you Tel but more often than not my phone could make an "emergency" call when I'm off the Vodafone network - which means there IS a network available and thus they do know where you are!

 

[Besoeker]

Probably because the mobile companies won't sort it out unless a gun is pointed at them.

Are you happy paying for a service which isn't available? I'm not!

Of course not.
But that's a matter between you, the customer, and the service provider, your supplier.

So, my question remains the same.
Why is the government involved?

 

[Octopus]

Of course not.
But that's a matter between you, the customer, and the service provider, your supplier.

So, my question remains the same.
Why is the government involved?

Because the "suppliers" have ganged up to say its too difficult.

I was listening the chap on the radio today who has a Vodafone phone registered in Ireland - his sim lets hom roam from mast to mast, provider to provider in the UK and rarely hits a "dead" spot.

Thats what I want!

 

[richy3333]

Crikey, I don't know what the fuss is about. I live and work in an area where having a signal is the exception not the norm. No 3G, no 'E'. No mobile signal at home. I have to advise real people where I will be and ETA's etc. The only use an iphone is around here is for a door stop. When I totalled my truck the other year I had to walk 6.5 miles before I could get a phone signal to raise an alarm.

We spoke to the telecoms Ombudsman about mobile and landline services and they can do nothing to force theses companies to improve services for us, only look at trying to get our bills reduced.

We don't even get broadband at home. So, no You tube, iplayer etc.

Now thats a situation to get a bit miffed about!

 

[tazz]

I not to sure on other areas.....But for Surrey you will notice over the past 3 years, coverage decreasing. One very simple reason this , Police station closures....No body wanted masts erected, nor wanted to see them...so they where placed on Police building, in return the police were given free internal call mobiles. These mobiles are no longer required with the new Tetra radios, so deal finished....as Police stations closed the mobile repeaters go, and no where else to put them.

 

[Octopus]

Crikey, I don't know what the fuss is about. I live and work in an area where having a signal is the exception not the norm. No 3G, no 'E'. No mobile signal at home. I have to advise real people where I will be and ETA's etc. The only use an iphone is around here is for a door stop. When I totalled my truck the other year I had to walk 6.5 miles before I could get a phone signal to raise an alarm.

We spoke to the telecoms Ombudsman about mobile and landline services and they can do nothing to force theses companies to improve services for us, only look at trying to get our bills reduced.

We don't even get broadband at home. So, no You tube, iplayer etc.

Now thats a situation to get a bit miffed about!

Where in the UK are you?

 

[Besoeker]

Because the "suppliers" have ganged up to say its too difficult.

Same question.
Why that a government problem?

 

[Octopus]

Same question.
Why that a government problem?

FFS - I can't answer that, but I suspect they think they may get a few more votes - why else do politicians say anything?

from my point of view I think its a good idea!

 

[Besoeker]

FFS - I can't answer that, but I suspect they think they may get a few more votes - why else do politicians say anything?

from my point of view I think its a good idea!

That what you want to pay your taxes for?

 

[Octopus]

That what you want to pay your taxes for?

hum... lets no go there.

But getting the mobile operators to improve the service nationally wouldn't cost much, especially when you realise how much we chuck at the EU every day.

 

[rapparee]

I am constantly roaming between o2irl and o2uk it costs a fortune. Apparently next year all internal eu roaming charges wll be dropped.

 

[rapparee]

Same question.
Why that a government problem?

Because it suits the government to have a strong communications infrastructure. Not everything can be left to free market forces

 

[Octopus]

I am constantly roaming between o2irl and o2uk it costs a fortune. Apparently next year all internal eu roaming charges wll be dropped.

That happened earlier this year if my memory serves me correctly.

 

[rapparee]

That happened earlier this year if my memory serves me correctly.

No the costs came down a bit but not completely

 

[Octopus]

No the costs came down a bit but not completely

I used my mobile in France this summer and didn't get stitched up!

 

[LeeH]

I am constantly roaming between o2irl and o2uk it costs a fortune. Apparently next year all internal eu roaming charges wll be dropped.

Cannot you just turn roaming off?

 

[rapparee]

Cannot you just turn roaming off?

And then you would have no signal

 

[rapparee]

I used my mobile in France this summer and didn't get stitched up!

Are you with 3? I think they have went a year early in abolishing roaming charges.

 

[Octopus]

Are you with 3? I think they have went a year early in abolishing roaming charges.

Nope, I'm with Vodacrxp

 

[rapparee]

Nope, I'm with Vodacrxp

Ive actually looked it up (im such a nerd) eu roaming charges will be abolished on 15th dec 2015 with a fair use policy to prevent us all buying cheap lithuanian phones and then "roaming" in our home country

 

[Besoeker]

hum... lets no go there.

But getting the mobile operators to improve the service nationally wouldn't cost much, especially when you realise how much we chuck at the EU every day.

I'm and old fellow. I was around before the Dead Sea reported in sick.
And long before the advent of mobile phones. In fact, growing up we didn't have a phone of any sort in the house.
It was our choice, and cost, to get one. Not government.

Life moves on. We now have a land line, broad band, and television from one supplier.
Mrs B and I both have mobile phones with different networks.

We could ditch it all. It's our choice to keep or discard any or all of the communications.
I just don't see what it has to do with government.

 

[Octopus]

Ive actually looked it up (im such a nerd) eu roaming charges will be abolished on 15th dec 2015 with a fair use policy to prevent us all buying cheap lithuanian phones and then "roaming" in our home country

So what happened to the free market?

 

[snowhead]

The idea of improved national coverage and sharing was being suggested at least 10 years ago and nothing much improved.
Looking at the article it states this improvement is for 2G only.

Waste of time doing 2G it's history.
EE have been stripping out 2G equipment for a couple of years to make way for 4G.
And I suspect reducing capacity on 3G in favour of 4G

They never managed to get 100% coverage for T.V when there were only 4 channels, so 100% phone coverage has no chance.

 

[Besoeker]

So what happened to the free market?

Do you want government interference or a free market?

 

[Robert Turnbull]

A lot of people rely on internet/mobile for there business, it makes sense that it should be available to everyone everywhere in the country not just how it suits the services provider. I think this is a good thing they are getting a kick up the backside.

For Me if i'm working in a place with no signal i know for sure when i do get signal later on i'm going to have a lot of calls / emails that need attention to, even potential loss of work.

 

[Geordie Spark]

The idea of improved national coverage and sharing was being suggested at least 10 years ago and nothing much improved.
Looking at the article it states this improvement is for 2G only.

Waste of time doing 2G it's history.
EE have been stripping out 2G equipment for a couple of years to make way for 4G.
And I suspect reducing capacity on 3G in favour of 4G

They never managed to get 100% coverage for T.V when there were only 4 channels, so 100% phone coverage has no chance.

Now that may explain why why the signal strength to me has deteriorated since EE came along.

Orange managed a full 5 bars, EE struggle with 3 - and the mast is in the next street!!

 

[davesparks]

Have you changed your phone? The bars mean diddly squat in real terms, the phone either has signal or it doesn't!

 

[Octopus]

Have you changed your phone? The bars mean diddly squat in real terms, the phone either has signal or it doesn't!

My 1 year old phone regularly shows 3 bars and when I try to make a call I can't!

 

[UNG]

I beg to disagree with you Tel but more often than not my phone could make an "emergency" call when I'm off the Vodafone network - which means there IS a network available and thus they do know where you are!

The fact you can make an emergency call does not mean they know where you are. The facility to make an emergency call on any network has only been available for 4 - 5 years the problem with the emergency call roaming unless something has changed recently is if the call drops they have no way of calling you back

I not to sure on other areas.....But for Surrey you will notice over the past 3 years, coverage decreasing. One very simple reason this , Police station closures....No body wanted masts erected, nor wanted to see them...so they where placed on Police building, in return the police were given free internal call mobiles. These mobiles are no longer required with the new Tetra radios, so deal finished....as Police stations closed the mobile repeaters go, and no where else to put them.

You also have the anti's to contend with who believe all these radio waves are bad for your health but they continue to the system they are so against

hum... lets no go there.

But getting the mobile operators to improve the service nationally wouldn't cost much, especially when you realise how much we chuck at the EU every day.

Every mobile phone cell has a finite limit on the number of calls it can carry at any one time which is down to it's network connectivity which is usually a point to point data radio to increase capacity in some cases would require radio's with greater bandwidth or multiple radio's which then relies on the available radio spectrum which is becoming very clogged hence Ofcom are trying to use previously reserved spectrum for day to day comms

Are you with 3? I think they have went a year early in abolishing roaming charges.

3 have a deal in some countries that you use your minutes as you would in the UK without penalty

The idea of improved national coverage and sharing was being suggested at least 10 years ago and nothing much improved.
Looking at the article it states this improvement is for 2G only.

Waste of time doing 2G it's history.
EE have been stripping out 2G equipment for a couple of years to make way for 4G.
And I suspect reducing capacity on 3G in favour of 4G

They never managed to get 100% coverage for T.V when there were only 4 channels, so 100% phone coverage has no chance.

In an ideal world everything would be flat unfortunately in the build process something went wrong with the planet we are on and therefore these topographically challenged radio waves have problems getting everywhere

 

[Marvo]

Apparently Theresa May (whoever she is) has come up with the razor sharp theory that cellphone networks in the UK shouldn't be improved to reduce the no signal areas because this would aid criminals and terrorists.

But May argues in the leaked internal Whitehall letter that Javid’s plans to end “not-spots”, by allowing customers to roam between rival networks, could aid criminals and terrorists. The Times reported that May’s objections centre around concerns that roaming would make it more difficult for the agencies to track suspects. source

So I guess the best thing for security would be to ban mobile phones entirely that way it would make life really difficult for the terrorists and criminals because they'd have to use the postal service and it would be much easier for authorities to intercept their communications using a letter opener .

 

[shanky887614]

stupid politicians, have they not heard of outernet, vpn to outernet and then your countries ispn cant intercept because your not using there network lol