Wish me luck

[Pete999]

Got nicked a few weeks ago for speeding, got to attend a course tomorrow, hope I pass?

 

[Adam W]

I did one of those a few years ago. It was what I expected - turn up, keep your mouth shut for a couple of hours and try not to get caught in future.

 

[Andy78]

Got nicked a few weeks ago for speeding, got to attend a course tomorrow, hope I pass?

From what I've heard it's more of a presentation. Pretty much an automatic pass if you just turn up and listen to what is being said. Think of it as the domestic installer assessment of the motoring world.

 

[Pete999]

Cheers Guys more or less what I will expect, if it's any different I'll be down your way dishing out stick lol

 

[Octopus]

Can you fail?

 

[Pete999]

Can you fail?

Doubt it

 

[ifindoubtdont]

Been there done that. It is worth listening to, and yes the course has slowed me down but not for the reasons you may think. The bit that has stuck with me is, if you exceed the national limit by 10mph or more your fuel consumption can increase by 25%. At 25 to 27 mpg that is a big ouch. As I say it is worth listening to and taking seriously. To pass turn with your speeding summons and driving licence, easy peasy.

 

[Octopus]

I would suggest that insufficient signage on the roads is partly to blame. My last ticket was for 50 in a 40 - a wide rural road with no signs visible!

 

[Pete999]

I would suggest that insufficient signage on the roads is partly to blame. My last ticket was for 50 in a 40 - a wide rural road with no signs visible!

Mine was 35 in a 30mph limit

 

[snowhead]

Can you fail?

Yes.
You have to arrive at the stated time and not leave before the stated end time or nip out during the day unless permitted by the Scam running the course.
Yes they're all privatised.

 

[Pete999]

Thanks for the advice

 

[Sintra]

Do they charge you for the course?

 

[sparksburnout]

Mine was 35 in a 30mph limit

OK Pete you are a respected Sparks. But 30mph is set for a reason, its a maximum, it's set for a reason. There are plenty of "cash cams" set up to collect extra revenue, but if its in a 30mph zone then just admit its irresponsible and learn the lesson matey.

 

[Pete999]

Do they charge you for the course?

Yep instead of a £110













































;

 

[Pete999]

Do they charge you for the course?

Yep 90 notes instead of 100 notes and 3 points

 

[Pete999]

OK Pete you are a respected Sparks. But 30mph is set for a reason, its a maximum, it's set for a reason. There are plenty of "cash cams" set up to collect extra revenue, but if its in a 30mph zone then just admit its irresponsible and learn the lesson matey.

Oh right and you haven't been 35 bin a 30 mph limit have you?????

 

[sparksburnout]

Yes mate I have, and i've swallowed it and not tried to make out i've been hard done to. A guy got killed just near here a couple of years ago, totally his fault he walked out in front of a bus and some poor woman hit him doing 38 mph in the 30. But if she had been doing 28 he might have been OK. You can argue that you can justify it sometimes but in a 30 no way. Just accept your in the wrong and learn the lesson, its there for a reason.

 

[7029 dave]

I have had a couple long time ago, clocked at 36 mph in a 30 mph, not that I am proud of it, never got the option of a driver speed awareness course, pay your money and learn from it Pete.

 

[Andy78]

I have had a couple long time ago, clocked at 36 mph in a 30 mph, not that I am proud of it, never got the option of a driver speed awareness course, pay your money and learn from it Pete.

Me too. Turned out I was 1mph over being allowed a speed awareness course and had to suck up the penalty points. The guidelines are that anything over the speed limit for the zone you are in, plus 10% of that limit, plus 2mph, and no speed awareness course is allowed.

 

[davesparks]

I got my first ever speeding ticket through the door today, I was apparently doing 36 in a 30.

 

[telectrix]

IN A LAND ROVER? THEY GOTTO BE JOKING. :alucard:

 

[davesparks]

IN A LAND ROVER? THEY GOTTO BE JOKING. :alucard:

I had considered trying that as my defence!

 

[Marvo]

Mine was 35 in a 30mph limit

Are you serious???? 5mph over the speed limit and you've got to do a course at a cost of 90 quid?

I got caught earlier this year doing 180 in an 80 zone. No points but the ticket cost was about 100 quid. I paid it early enough to qualify for the 50% discount so it wasn't too bad.

 

[sparksburnout]

Are you serious???? 5mph over the speed limit and you've got to do a course at a cost of 90 quid?

I got caught earlier this year doing 180 in an 80 zone. No points but the ticket cost was about 100 quid. I paid it early enough to qualify for the 50% discount so it wasn't too bad.

Yeah we got something over here called health and safety. All you guys need to go and have a chat with a few traffic cops who have to deal with the consequences of idiots speeding every day. The law is the law, you either stick to it or pay the consequences. Just man up, pay up and shut up, simple.

 

[davesparks]

Yeah we got something over here called health and safety. All you guys need to go and have a chat with a few traffic cops who have to deal with the consequences of idiots speeding every day. The law is the law, you either stick to it or pay the consequences. Just man up, pay up and shut up, simple.

Health and safety has nothing to do with it. This is quite simply the law, a clearly defined line dividing what is legal from what is not.

By driving faster than the speed limit I broke the law, therefore I will suffer due punishment as prescribed by the law.

Health and safety is an entirely different piece of legislation

 

[sparksburnout]

Health and safety has nothing to do with it. This is quite simply the law, a clearly defined line dividing what is legal from what is not.

By driving faster than the speed limit I broke the law, therefore I will suffer due punishment as prescribed by the law.

Health and safety is an entirely different piece of legislation

Yeah whatever Dave, its all part of the same thing. That extra 6mph can make the difference between some innocent person living or dying, especially in a 30mph zone. Like you say, just own up and pay up, and, you apart in this, stop making out you have been hard done to.

 

[davesparks]

Are you serious???? 5mph over the speed limit and you've got to do a course at a cost of 90 quid?

I got caught earlier this year doing 180 in an 80 zone. No points but the ticket cost was about 100 quid. I paid it early enough to qualify for the 50% discount so it wasn't too bad.

Yes, he is serious. In this country the law is very clear, the speed limit is defined clearly and in breaking that limit one breaks the law. There is of course a tolerance to allow for the inaccuracy of vehicle speedometers (I believe it is set at 10% currently)

 

[Marvo]

Okay, I consider myself chastised.:6: I did pay up and promptly as well.

The road I was on was 120 limit but it dropped to 80 for a few hundred meters where there was an exit into a picnic spot. I let off the accelerator and managed to slow down maybe 20kph but it obviously wasn't enough. Last time I went past there was no camera or maybe someone had put a few 9mm rounds through it so I was quite surprised when I saw the flash. :28:

 

[Marvo]

Yes, he is serious. In this country the law is very clear, the speed limit is defined clearly and in breaking that limit one breaks the law. There is of course a tolerance to allow for the inaccuracy of vehicle speedometers (I believe it is set at 10% currently)

It never ceases to amaze me how much the UK has changed. When I was at Uni in the UK I went to a vodka promotion night at the SU bar. One thing led to another and I ended up vomiting inside my motorcycle helmet and falling off on the way back home. The policemen that helped me cleaned me down, gave me a lift home in the back of their van, put me to bed and one of them even rode my bike back for me. The next day I went to the station, thanked them and gave them a gift-wrapped bottle for their trouble. This was in the days when driving licenses had hard covers and no photos.

 

[Adam W]

Health and safety has nothing to do with it. This is quite simply the law, a clearly defined line dividing what is legal from what is not.

By driving faster than the speed limit I broke the law, therefore I will suffer due punishment as prescribed by the law.

Health and safety is an entirely different piece of legislation

The law is made up by people though, and people often get things wrong.
For example I had to do my speed awareness course because I got caught doing 60 on a dual carriageway. Yes the national speed limit is 70 on a dual carriageway, yes half a mile along the same road the speed limit was 70, yes 2 years previously the speed limit where I was caught was 70, but it had been reduced to 50.

OK I was caught breaking the rules, but if it's 'right' for that bit of road to have a 50mph speed limit then the previous limit was wrong, ie the law was wrong.

 

[sparksburnout]

Okay, I consider myself chastised.:6: I did pay up and promptly as well.

The road I was on was 120 limit but it dropped to 80 for a few hundred meters where there was an exit into a picnic spot. I let off the accelerator and managed to slow down maybe 20kph but it obviously wasn't enough. Last time I went past there was no camera or maybe someone had put a few 9mm rounds through it so I was quite surprised when I saw the flash. :28:

A picnic spot, like, one of those places where there might be kids and so on. 180 was it? in an 80 zone?? Just kin think about it for christs sake.

 

[sparksburnout]

The law is made up by people though, and people often get things wrong.
For example I had to do my speed awareness course because I got caught doing 60 on a dual carriageway. Yes the national speed limit is 70 on a dual carriageway, yes half a mile along the same road the speed limit was 70, yes 2 years previously the speed limit where I was caught was 70, but it had been reduced to 50.

OK I was caught breaking the rules, but if it's 'right' for that bit of road to have a 50mph speed limit then the previous limit was wrong, ie the law was wrong.

LOL, you counldn't make it up! The law is wrong eh, couldn't possibly be you that was wrong then??

 

[davesparks]

The law is made up by people though, and people often get things wrong.
For example I had to do my speed awareness course because I got caught doing 60 on a dual carriageway. Yes the national speed limit is 70 on a dual carriageway, yes half a mile along the same road the speed limit was 70, yes 2 years previously the speed limit where I was caught was 70, but it had been reduced to 50.

OK I was caught breaking the rules, but if it's 'right' for that bit of road to have a 50mph speed limit then the previous limit was wrong, ie the law was wrong.

It is not universally 70mph, the speed limit is different for vans, LGVs, HGVs, vehicles with trailers etc etc.

 

[Marvo]

A picnic spot, like, one of those places where there might be kids and so on. 180 was it? in an 80 zone?? Just kin think about it for christs sake.

No kids, it was 2 in the morning. The roads here aren't like the roads in the UK.

 

[Pete999]

OK Pete you are a respected Sparks. But 30mph is set for a reason, its a maximum, it's set for a reason. There are plenty of "cash cams" set up to collect extra revenue, but if its in a 30mph zone then just admit its irresponsible and learn the lesson matey.

Crikey, you mind you don't fall off that high horse you are sitting on Matey.

 

[uksparks]

The Mrs, my dad, my brother and father in law have all done it, just sit and listen and don't say anything stupid and you will be ok.

 

[telectrix]

2005 i got caught by a camera 34mph in a 30 mph stretch of road. no speed awareness course offerd.£95 and 3 points. i was driving a subaru sumo. in mitigation i did plead that the wind was behind me.

 

[sparksburnout]

Crikey, you mind you don't fall off that high horse you are sitting on Matey.

I try not to it generally hurts. When you use 2 wheels as well, you tend to keep it down in 30 mph zones, there are plenty of folks about who think its OK to do all sorts of stupid things!

 

[Risteard]

Got nicked a few weeks ago for speeding

Surely it's a bit extreme getting lifted for doing 35mph in a 30mph zone!

 

[Octopus]

Don't get caught again on your way too the course!

 

[Pete999]

Don't get caught again on your way too the course!

Don't worry Murdoch it's a 30, 50, 70 but not sure what the last bit is

 

[hightower]

The speed limit is different for vans, but what is the changeover point? Would a car derived van be classed as a van as far as speed limits go, or is it a car?

 

[ruston]

No. a derived vehicle , the national limit applies. (also local restrictions)
The speed limit is the maximum , not the minimum.

 

[EoinConway]

I try not to it generally hurts. When you use 2 wheels as well, you tend to keep it down in 30 mph zones, there are plenty of folks about who think its OK to do all sorts of stupid things!

In this crazy world of overpaid poncy footballers and crackpot politicians, I would like to say that if anyone wants to watch some real men risking everything in pursuit of their dreams, have a watch of these lads over the next two weeks. I guarantee you will find yourself gripping the side of your armchair as they race with the devil at speeds that defy belief. Free-view channel 24.

Unfortunately, in Northern Ireland at least, there have been several spectator deaths, (that's not even to mention Rider deaths) as a result of these 'real mean risking everything in pursuit of their dreams'.
I'm not having a go sparksburnout, I just found your comments interesting having read the other thread - I guess there are plenty of folks about who think its OK to do all sorts of stupid things.

 

[Andy78]

The speed limit is different for vans, but what is the changeover point? Would a car derived van be classed as a van as far as speed limits go, or is it a car?

Car derived vehicles are classed as cars.
Vans are classed as goods vehicles, unless a dual purpose vehicle, camper van, or van classed as a people carrier.
Vans can do up to 50 on a single carriageway, 60 on a dual carriageway, and 70 on a motorway.

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

 

[Risteard]

Would a car derived van be classed as a van as far as speed limits go, or is it a car?

They can drive at the same speed limit as a car.

 

[Octopus]

Don't worry Murdoch it's a 30, 50, 70 but not sure what the last bit is

hum.... so no going 70 in the 50 zone! lol

 

[Pete999]

Off to get my bottom spanked by the speeding course provider, 4 hours

 

[ruston]

Pete , It's a breeze. It is more of a discussion with observations and interaction , than any kind of test.
You do not have to answer up if you don't want to.

As has been said you have just got to turn up on time and behave.
It is actually quite interesting to see who you are sharing the road with.

 

[sparksburnout]

Unfortunately, in Northern Ireland at least, there have been several spectator deaths, (that's not even to mention Rider deaths) as a result of these 'real mean risking everything in pursuit of their dreams'.
I'm not having a go sparksburnout, I just found your comments interesting having read the other thread - I guess there are plenty of folks about who think its OK to do all sorts of stupid things.

I don't really understand your reasoning here. All of the riders, spectators, marshals and medics know exactly what the score is and attend willingly. It might be on a public road, but to all extents and purposes it becomes a racetrack during the practice and races. It is entirely different from the public roads. You seem to be insinuating that theses guys are not brave, name me another sport where those competing restart their sport just minutes after one of them has had a tragic and often fatal accident in pursuit of the ultimate goal?