Do you need to PAT test / test fixed appliances

[Dozer 73]

Read through the link in one of above threads , code of practise for in service inspection and testing of electrical equipment
It would involve disconnecting in spur say and test with adapter to you pat test machine , that way it gets stored with all your other equipments information if you have an advanced pat tester
Or old school , ins res test and earth cont , visual , but keep records of tests , model test sheets are in the book
Basically a real ball ache , something we are avoiding , keeps you in work I suppose

Oh and apparently if your testing a microwave oven you are supposed to also have microwave leakage detector and test this too , something else we as a company overlooked

 

[Dozer 73]

Not statutory, but highly recommended to use it for guidance.

Most company’s now a days will probably state you work to these codes of practises , ours does a long list in our electrical group rules
They do issue us with these documents (some where in the van )
If there is a fire or death through electric shock created by an appliance / equipment I’m sure the house will be looking for you maintanance / test sheets for this appliance / equipment
Including mechanical inspection sheets if required by whom ever

 

[Toneyz]

Read through the link in one of above threads , code of practise for in service inspection and testing of electrical equipment
It would involve disconnecting in spur say and test with adapter to you pat test machine , that way it gets stored with all your other equipments information if you have an advanced pat tester
Or old school , ins res test and earth cont , visual , but keep records of tests , model test sheets are in the book
Basically a real ball ache , something we are avoiding , keeps you in work I suppose

I refer to your line about "old school method this is what we are doing as part of a EICR, what's the difference ?.

 

[Dozer 73]

I refer to your line about "old school method this is what we are doing as part of a EICR, what's the difference ?.

It’s the way the records are kept or ours any way on hand written sheets and the two basic tests and visual carried out
A modern testing machine stores all information , serial no’s , carries out leakage tests , carries out live functional test and stores load etc
And then prints you a cert if client requires one or your self for records

 

[Dozer 73]

Most company’s now a days will probably state you work to these codes of practises , ours does a long list in our electrical group rules
They do issue us with these documents (some where in the van )
If there is a fire or death through electric shock created by an appliance / equipment I’m sure the house will be looking for you maintanance / test sheets for this appliance / equipment
Including mechanical inspection sheets if required by whom ever

HSE not house

 

[Pete999]

Got to agree the word PAT has confused the situation not just to us but the general public. Apart from any appliance with a plug on it ,please give me an idea how practically the testing is undertaken for example a wall mounted hand dryer ,heater and trouser press in hotel room.

Read the CoP I sent you, and use your ingenuity

 

[Pete999]

Got to agree the word PAT has confused the situation not just to us but the general public. Apart from any appliance with a plug on it ,please give me an idea how practically the testing is undertaken for example a wall mounted hand dryer ,heater and trouser press in hotel room.

Ant, the old PA Testing has gone, its a different animal now large electrical items have become a test item. but you have to agree these items connected via a 13Amp spur unit are NOT part of an EICR, they are the same sort of test IR earth, continuity, and functional, but as a separate testing regime, and should be costed, planned and carried out as such.

 

[Dozer 73]

It’s the way the records are kept or ours any way on hand written sheets and the two basic tests and visual carried out
A modern testing machine stores all information , serial no’s , carries out leakage tests , carries out live functional test and stores load etc
And then prints you a cert if client requires one or your self for records

Well fixed equipment is not a portable appliance so as such cannot be Portable Appliance Tested

it was portable before you fixed it , no I did say /fixed too on original thread , good answer though lol

 

[Pete999]

it was portable before you fixed it , no I did say /fixed too on original thread , good answer though lol

That's why it aint called PA Testing any more, Westy

 

[Dozer 73]

It’s the way the records are kept or ours any way on hand written sheets and the two basic tests and visual carried out
A modern testing machine stores all information , serial no’s , carries out leakage tests , carries out live functional test and stores load etc
And then prints you a cert if client requires one or your self for records

Well fixed equipment is not a portable appliance so as such cannot be Portable Appliance Tested

it was portable before you fixed it , no I did say /fixed too on original thread , good answer though lol

That's why it aint called PA Testing any more, Westy

and what a mind numbing job it is too

 

[Pete999]

it was portable before you fixed it , no I did say /fixed too on original thread , good answer though lol

and what a mind numbing job it is too

I agree, but if there are a fair few hand driers, Ladies thingy disposal jobbies, heaters, Split A/C systems etc it could be a nice little earner, especially if they ask you to set up a register and testing regime, I would do it in a heartbeat if the premises was big enough or they had lots of buildings that required testing, what a cushy little number, mind you I'm 71 and not much use crawling about under floors etc.

 

[Dozer 73]

Presume that’s what these big maintance contract companies are into , like of mitie , spie
Big money generator and these big companies have to have it done , all the smaller ones will either not know about it or choose to ignore it , struggling businesses will have better things to spend money on no doubt

 

[Pete999]

Presume that’s what these big maintance contract companies are into , like of mitie , spie
Big money generator and these big companies have to have it done , all the smaller ones will either not know about it or choose to ignore it , struggling businesses will have better things to spend money on no doubt

Yes I agree Nige, I worked for FCOServices and Mite had 1 guy full time testing fixed equipment, he was semi retired and loved it.
Some of the smaller companies, don't realise they are bound by H&S legislation to test these items, failure to have a system in place can prove costly, setting up a testing section was one of my last jobs before I retired, I think I scared them, by the system I tried to introduce, retirement came, and I went.

 

[Dozer 73]

Yes I agree Nige, I worked for FCOServices and Mite had 1 guy full time testing fixed equipment, he was semi retired and loved it.
Some of the smaller companies, don't realise they are bound by H&S legislation to test these items, failure to have a system in place can prove costly, setting up a testing section was one of my last jobs before I retired, I think I scared them, by the system I tried to introduce, retirement came, and I went.

Yes a a big player our selves in civil engineering (j Murphy ) we are getting bogged down with paper work just to start your working day , we then have to deal with our clients different requests and systems of work ( national grid , network rail , United utilities )
Not to mention the vehicle tracking , finger print time keeping , facial recognition , working on rail stations you are being videoed throughout your day
The world I’d going mad with technology and legislations , briefings , method statements , risk assessments oh the list goes on

 

[Pete999]

Yes a a big player our selves in civil engineering (j Murphy ) we are getting bogged down with paper work just to start your working day , we then have to deal with our clients different requests and systems of work ( national grid , network rail , United utilities )
Not to mention the vehicle tracking , finger print time keeping , facial recognition , working on rail stations you are being videoed throughout your day
The world I’d going mad with technology and legislations , briefings , method statements , risk assessments oh the list goes on

The way of the new world Nige

 

[Dozer 73]

The way of the new world Nige

Hopefully we may be inspecting time machines soon

 

[Dozer 73]

Yes a a big player our selves in civil engineering (j Murphy ) we are getting bogged down with paper work just to start your working day , we then have to deal with our clients different requests and systems of work ( national grid , network rail , United utilities )
Not to mention the vehicle tracking , finger print time keeping , facial recognition , working on rail stations you are being videoed throughout your day
The world I’d going mad with technology and legislations , briefings , method statements , risk assessments oh the list goes on

Oh and the e mail wars and arse covering that goes on

 

[Pete999]

Oh and the e mail wars and arse covering that goes on

Yeah I got quite good at arse covering, via email, especially when some numpty sat on His or Her jacksy, questioned what I was trying to say, trouble was I knew I was was right, and they were clueless, nice warm feelings come into play when that happens, even better when the funds arrived to do what I needed to do, happy days.

 

[Toneyz]

Read the CoP I sent you, and use your ingenuity

Thanks Pete, but pages missing.

 

[Pete999]

Thanks Pete, but pages missing.

Probably why it was a free download, may be you had better shell out and buy a copy Ant, I had one and gave it away.