EICR rectifications completed by another electrician, what now?

[Deleted member 26818]

Oh my God, are you serious?

It says the complete opposite.

This is now hilarious.

How does “By rights appropriate certification appended to your report should be sufficient.” differ from what you have been saying?
You still haven’t explained.

 

[Nigel]

The word ‘trolling’ is the present participle of the word ‘troll’.
By stating that I am trolling, you are stating that I am at present actively being a troll.

Ok. Nice side step from the issue. Painting my living room does not make me a painter.

Do you accept that you are incorrect in your understanding of the EICR sign off procedure.

 

[Nigel]

How does “By rights appropriate certification appended to your report should be sufficient.” differ from what you have been saying?
You still haven’t explained.

Your Post 3 contradicts itself and shows a misunderstanding of how EICRs should be signed off. You have further clarifies your misunderstanding by confirming that you do not give a next inspection due date on unsatisfactory EICRs.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Ok. Nice side step from the issue. Painting my living room does not make me a painter.

Do you accept that you are incorrect in your understanding of the EICR sign off procedure.

Actually, it does.
It doesn’t make you a professional painter, but a painter is someone who paints.

No.
BS7671 allows me as the Inspector to determine when an installation should next be inspected.
If I do not consider an Installation is safe for continued use, then I am not obliged to state the installation should continue to be used and inspected in x amount of years.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Your Post 3 contradicts itself and shows a misunderstanding of how EICRs should be signed off. You have further clarifies your misunderstanding by confirming that you do not give a next inspection due date on unsatisfactory EICRs.

Please explain how it contradicts itself?

 

[Nigel]

Actually, it does.
It doesn’t make you a professional painter, but a painter is someone who paints.

No.
BS7671 allows me as the Inspector to determine when an installation should next be inspected.
If I do not consider an Installation is safe for continued use, then I am not obliged to state the installation should continue to be used and inspected in x amount of years.

This is what I mean by your misunderstanding of how the sign off procedure works. You have summed it up perfectly above.

It has been explained many times how it works and I have nothing more to add on it. Happy to help but you seem to be digging your heels in a little for some reason even though you are incorrect.

 

[Nigel]

Please explain how it contradicts itself?

You start by saying additional certification ‘should’ surfice then go on to say that if they want a satisfactory EICR then you will need to test again.

Come on. Jesus.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

You start by saying additional certification ‘should’ surfice then go on to say that if they want a satisfactory EICR then you will need to test again.

Come on. Jesus.

If the client wants the report to state Satisfactory rather than Unsatisfactory, then the installation would have to be inspected again.

 

[Nigel]

If the client wants the report to state Satisfactory rather than Unsatisfactory, then the installation would have to be inspected again.

No the client would need to be educated.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

No the client would need to be educated.

The problem with that, is that some Insurance companies will not accept Unsatisfactory reports even with appropriate certification for remedial work appended to the report.
Some insist the report must state Satisfactory.
Which is why I stated first:
“By rights appropriate certification appended to your report should be sufficient.”

 

[7029 dave]

^^^ I am looking at the pair of your comments. IMO my 2 pence worth if an EICR has been carried out, and lets say c1 for x c2 for y has been recorded, and remedial work has been carried out to correct the installation with paper work ie MWC, then in my mind that would go hand in hand with the previous EICR end off.

 

[FatAlan]

Would have thought that any remedial work carried out after an unsatisfactory EICR would be covered by either a MWC or EIC so job done?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Would have thought that any remedial work carried out after an unsatisfactory EICR would be covered by either a MWC or EIC so job done?

If covered by an EIC, the EIC will show the date of the next inspection.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

^^^ I am looking at the pair of your comments. IMO my 2 pence worth if an EICR has been carried out, and lets say c1 for x c2 for y has been recorded, and remedial work has been carried out to correct the installation with paper work ie MWC, then in my mind that would go hand in hand with the previous EICR end off.

Yes, that should by rights be the case.
But what if that work isn’t done for 6 years?

 

[7029 dave]

Yes, that should by rights be the case.
But what if that work isn’t done for 6 years?

If the work don't done then it is still unsatisfactory simple as that.

 

[Nigel]

Yes, that should by rights be the case.
But what if that work isn’t done for 6 years?

All remedial works are to be done as a matter of urgency. 6 years would not meet that criteria.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

All remedial works are to be done as a matter of urgency. 6 years would not meet that criteria.

Yeah, but the next inspection isn’t for 10 years, got loads of time.
Just as long as it’s done before the next inspection, it’ll be ok.

 

[Ian1981]

If an installation is deemed unsatisfactory then If you are recommending a next inspection date of say 5 years, it’s with the condition that any potential dangerous defects recorded on the eicr are rectified without delay

 

[Octopus]

what a farce ........... nobody can agree ............ but thing is for sure, and based on personal experience......... handing an unsatisfactory EICR and a couple of MWC's to a letting agent doesn't always guarantee they will "accept" that the installation is now "satisfactory"

 

[Nigel]

If covered by an EIC, the EIC will show the date of the next inspection.

Only for that item of work. Not the whole installation.