Help need to change ceiling light

[DJ Ovengloves]

Sounds like you’ve misunderstood what he said. The single black stays on its own IN THE L TERMINAL.

Look what Westward said.

Westward told you how to wire it.

 

[telectrix]

your mate is wrong.you need a 4 way connector block instead of a 3 way. the 3 reds go together in 1 way with nothing else from the light in there. then the switch L (black) connects to the brown of the light. the 2 blacks (neutrals) connect to the blue of the light, and you use the 4th way for the earth.

 

[westward10]

Yes don't forget the earth even though I cannot see an earth wire at the new fitting.

 

[telectrix]

thinking that maybe original choc block had 1 connection screwed onto an earth tag.

 

[Russ9411]

Thanks for your advice westward10. It works, but you had no doubt that it would, what with knowing what you're doing.
I'm just going to have to phase it to my friend that he doesn't know as much as he thinks.
I've just kept the earth attached to the original fixing.
Thanks once again.

 

[Russ9411]

I replied before the photo uploaded

 

[Benchaffey]

Jesus Christ call an electrician it's still wrong

 

[Bobster]

The earth needs to be connected to the new metal fitting!!!!

 

[westward10]

Did that fitting come with an earth wire and if so what has happened to it because it definitely needs a connection to earth.

 

[westward10]

thinking that maybe original choc block had 1 connection screwed onto an earth tag.

You can see the earth connection on the nut he has undone which must have had the original block connected to it.

 

[telectrix]

the earth tag is clearly shown on that last photo. it's that ring with a tag, under the shakeproof washers.

 

[telectrix]

obviously a life is not worth £40 to OP. get a bloody electrician round FFS.

 

[DJ Ovengloves]

**** facepalm ****

 

[westward10]

obviously a life is not worth £40 to OP. get a bloody electrician round FFS.

Think he has gone now.

 

[elsparko]

this is a loop in system, where the feed is inside the light fitting instead of at the switch, usually to make running cables through conduit easier due to less/smaller cables being able to be used.

usually you wont have a neutral at the switch, rarely will you have a seperate earth, 9.9/10 its going to be just a common and switch wire at the switch.

 

[Russ9411]

I'm still here. It works. I understand and thought that the earth would need to be conected to the metal light but it wasn't conected to the single light, it was as it is in the first picture. When the sparkie comes and does my down lighters I'll get him to do it. I only asked which wire went into which hole because the new light came with just a strip of three conections E L N but the old had four different conections .

 

[telectrix]

I'm still here. It works. I understand and thought that the earth would need to be conected to the metal light but it wasn't conected to the single light, it was as it is in the first picture. When the sparkie comes and does my down lighters I'll get him to do it. I only asked which wire went into which hole because the new light came with just a strip of three conections E L N but the old had four different conections .

see posts #22 and #31. all is revealed.

 

[Russ9411]

As for the £40 to do it, I'd be happy to of payed that but two wanted £50 call out and £30 to fit it.
£50 call out ffs, it's not an emergency.

 

[telectrix]

that's a rip-off, but it's what you get for living in the affluent south-east. up here a £40 call-out would also cover labour time up to an hour. then again, we don't have to pay congestion charges, parking fees etc. and our vans are usually found where we left them.

 

[DJ Ovengloves]

That’s the crux....it’s simple to get electrons flowing, the trick is getting them to do it safely and stop when it’s goes wrong.

It is no exaggeration to state the light, in its current state is dangerous and would only need a live (and on some conditions a neutral) to come lose and touch the metal of the new fitting to turn the whole fitting live.....with a functioning earth at this point it would go bang, but at least you would be safe. Currently your fitting will sit at mains voltage awaiting the unwary.

Please be careful.

I'm still here. It works. I understand and thought that the earth would need to be conected to the metal light but it wasn't conected to the single light, it was as it is in the first picture. When the sparkie comes and does my down lighters I'll get him to do it. I only asked which wire went into which hole because the new light came with just a strip of three conections E L N but the old had four different conections .