Install cert required if eicr has been done

[ipf]

An eicr first to find out whether your installing a board to supply a load of circuits that are dangerous or can cause nuisance tripping etc

Why? After basic testing and checking before changing a CU, the installation becomes an EIC. If the client doesn't want a full test you just record it and advise one.

 

[thomaspotato]

I do installation certs for new board changes. I’m not looking for some robot to quote regs at me. By replacing the cu with an rcd board i am improving the safety so why?? Do i have to do the same test again to get the same results

 

[Andy78]

Electrical safety first Best practce guide 1 replacing a consumer unit in a domestic premises
6.2.1
Check it out

Also check out 6.2.2 and 9.1 from the same guide. They outline that an EICR is not necessary and that issuing of an EIC is.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I do installation certs for new board changes. I’m not looking for some robot to quote regs at me. By replacing the cu with an rcd board i am improving the safety so why?? Do i have to do the same test again to get the same results

If the original board did not have RCD/RCBOs, how will testing them give the same results?

 

[HomeCert ltd]

If you've already done a full EICR on the property, the only additional tests apart from identifying the new circuit layout would be the RCD tripping times. As you would have already recorded test results from your previous inspection

 

[thomaspotato]

same results only difference is rcd times. All im saying is does no one else think its a bit overkill to do the tests again. Regs are just a guide not an act

 

[thomaspotato]

And by just copying the eicr results proves my point.

 

[HomeCert ltd]

Even if you did copy the EICR results you would still need to issue an EIC and building control notification for the works carried out

 

[thomaspotato]

Even if i didnt do the rcd test and say the rcd was faulty, even with that the installation is still going to be safer with mcbs

 

[Andy78]

same results only difference is rcd times. All im saying is does no one else think its a bit overkill to do the tests again. Regs are just a guide not an act

Repeating the tests is a different matter entirely to your original question, which was do you need to issue an EIC, which you do if your installation is to be compliant with the regulations.
If of course you just view the regs as a guide and are not to be followed then you have wasted your time by even asking this question in the first place. Just carry on as you feel and ignore the regulations.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

same results only difference is rcd times. All im saying is does no one else think its a bit overkill to do the tests again. Regs are just a guide not an act

What point?

 

[thomaspotato]

I understand what we are told to do. I know that. I just want someone to give me an explanation as to why?? Not because the regs say but why in theory and practise does it have to be done

 

[HomeCert ltd]

Well you would still need to provide a cert identifying that the RCD's were faulty, when you've already provided an EICR which will detail that there was no RCD protection installed for the installation.

Basically, you should go back an test/certify the board change

 

[thomaspotato]

When i have already asertained the installation safe and have made it safer by upgrading tails , adding mcbs and rcd protection

 

[ipf]

If you've already done a full EICR on the property, the only additional tests apart from identifying the new circuit layout would be the RCD tripping times. As you would have already recorded test results from your previous inspection

It all depends on whether you've been asked to replace a CU or to carry out a condition report....the result of which recommends a replacement CU.

 

[Andy78]

I understand what we are told to do. I know that. I just want someone to give me an explanation as to why?? Not because the regs say but why in theory and practise does it have to be done

You test to verify what you have done is safe, and you issue a cert to prove that.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

When i have already asertained the installation safe and have made it safer by upgrading tails , adding mcbs and rcd protection

Hold up, first it was just a CU change, now it’s also upgrading tails.

 

[thomaspotato]

Ahhh, does no one ever think why something is done instead of just doing what your told

 

[thomaspotato]

Would u connect the old ( more than likely single insulation) tails back in?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Would u connect the old ( more than likely single insulation) tails back in?

Why wouldn’t I, if all I am doing is changing the CU?