Insulation colours.

[Zakery]

Is it ok to use red and black Twin and Earth if brown and blue sleeving is used at termination points ? This is a first post for me so be gentle chaps.

 

[rapparee]

You should apply too join the diy section of the forum

 

[GMES]

Shotgunsteve , the op is a retired electrician not a diyer, please be polite to new members.

 

[Guest666]

I apologise. No offence meant.

 

[Paul.M]

I apologise. No offence meant.

Fair enough, no harm done. It is in his profile and not on his post. Maybe an old reel of cable he has knocking around.

Thanks for the team work GMES.

 

[Zakery]

You should apply too join the diy section of the forum

Having retired from the electrical fraternity many years ago I now find I have a question and was pointed in the direction of the forum for speedy answers, I will assume from your reply that you don't know or are just not the helpful kind. So much for my first post.

 

[HandySparks]

Is it ok to use red and black Twin and Earth if brown and blue sleeving is used at termination points ? This is a first post for me so be gentle chaps.

If it was in an installation that already contains red and black T&E, I wouldn't even sleeve it. Maybe not strictly to the current regs, but I don't see this as a safety issue.

 

[Zakery]

Fair enough, no harm done. It is in his profile and not on his post. Maybe an old reel of cable he has knocking around.

Thanks for the team work GMES.

As you have said I tried to put all the worries of the world of work behind me and any mention of reg's etc upset the somewhat easy life I was trying to find but I have been put in a situation where there is a quantity of 1.0 mm T & E available to use and I am not wanting to trawl through loads of info' when I have been shown this forum especially when I've a life to lead

 

[Guest666]

I suppose strictly speaking as long as you identify the cables at the termination points then I cannot see an issue. However I personally would not install this cable.

 

[Paul.M]

As you have said I tried to put all the worries of the world of work behind me and any mention of reg's etc upset the somewhat easy life I was trying to find but I have been put in a situation where there is a quantity of 1.0 mm T & E available to use and I am not wanting to trawl through loads of info' when I have been shown this forum especially when I've a life to lead

First of all Zakery welcome to the forum. Rapparee was only informing you that we have a DIY section which your question looked like. After looking at your profile and seeing you are a retired ONC Electician (most people dont look at that but I'm a bit sad, and its part of my duties). Retired Electricians have a certain status on this forum, dont judge us just yet, we are nice people.


Of course you can use any colour cable you want to sir, only thing you have to do with todays Regs is identification of conductors at each terminal. I might be tempted to give the old reel a 500V IR test first just for peace of mind after being in storage for a while but it will be fine.

 

[tgtworsley]

I would use it and sleve each end

 

[Leesparkykent]

And stick one of these to the DB if you do end up with old and new colours in the installation.

 

[Octopus]

I would ask why are you installing old colours???

 

[Zakery]

Many thanks to all for your help, I will ensure the cable that has been installed is sleeved and add the notice to the cu, the rest of the cable can be scrapped. The wiring was already in before I was aware of the colours.

 

[D Skelton]

I would ask have you any drums you can sell me?

 

[Paul.M]

I have been put in a situation where there is a quantity of 1.0 mm T & E available to use

I would ask why are you installing old colours???

Retired sparky with a few reels still in storage I guess. I'm just waiting for the first person to ask if it is notifiable work and covered under part-p!!!!! Be nice to the new member please, after all he has been a sparky most of his life.

 

[Plonker 3]

And stick one of these to the DB if you do end up with old and new colours in the installation.

Why? Do they not teach you to use your head any more at college?

Any spark should be aware of cable colours without a sticker telling them that there maybe a difference in them on a install

 

[Guest666]

Why? Do they not teach you to use your head any more at college?

Any spark should be aware of cable colours without a sticker telling them that there maybe a difference in them on a install

Good practice?

 

[Plonker 3]

Good practice?

what making a DB look like a Panini sticker album?

 

[Leesparkykent]

Why? Do they not teach you to use your head any more at college?

Any spark should be aware of cable colours without a sticker telling them that there maybe a difference in them on a install

True but it's a reg 514.14

 

[Guest666]

what making a DB look like a Panini sticker album?

Lol!

We also should know that there is 230 volts at a single phase distribution board. Still has a warning label on it though.

We live in a world where we need to install 'mind your head' signs on low ceilings so in perspective the harmonisation label seems obvious.

 

[Guest666]

True but it's a reg 514.14

If you know that from the top of your head there is something wrong with you? Lol!

 

[Leesparkykent]

If you know that from the top of your head there is something wrong with you? Lol!

Lol no not from the top of my head but on the EICR forms I have on an app on my iPad which I'm on now it is listed.

 

[Plonker 3]

True but it's a reg 514.14

Well thats it then, we must abide by every word the regs say. I had better go and get me some stickers and go and fit them on all the jobs I have done where there has been a cross over in colours because someting bad may happen.

Lol!

We also should know that there is 230 volts at a single phase distribution board. Still has a warning label on it though.

We we live in a world where we need to install 'mind your head' signs on low ceilings so in perspective the harmonisation label seems obvious.

Unfortunately if you believe all this "we need telling everything" attitude to society then there is something very long with life it self.

 

[Guest666]

Well thats it then, we must abide by every word the regs say. I had better go and get me some stickers and go and fit them on all the jobs I have done where there has been a cross over in colours because someting bad may happen.




Unfortunately if you believe all this "we need telling everything" attitude to society then there is something very long with life it self.

Hey man. I don't make the rules. I just follow them.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Well thats it then, we must abide by every word the regs say. I had better go and get me some stickers and go and fit them on all the jobs I have done where there has been a cross over in colours because someting bad may happen.




Unfortunately if you believe all this "we need telling everything" attitude to society then there is something very long with life it self.

Yea maybe you should then lol. I keep a reel of mixed colour stickers in the van so it's not really no hardship to me to stick a sticker on the DB at a cost of a few pence haha.

 

[Octopus]

Tbh putting the colours sticker on the cu now is a waste of time and money. I think I'm going to stop putting them on from Monday.

 

[Plonker 3]

Hey man. I don't make the rules. I just follow them.

Just because its wrote in a book you pay alot of money for doesnt mean you have to you know.

 

[Plonker 3]

Yea maybe you should then lol. I keep a reel of mixed colour stickers in the van so it's not really no hardship to me to stick a sticker on the DB at a cost of a few pence haha.

You do realise that the BGB is neither mandatory nor statutory, but just a guide dont you?

 

[Guest666]

Just because its wrote in a book you pay alot of money for doesnt mean you have to you know.

Yeah I know. Just because there are double yellow lines outside my local shop doesn't mean I can't park there. Just means if I do I run the risk of a fine.

I choose to to follow the book to the best of my ability. If you don't. Makes no difference to me.

 

[Leesparkykent]

You do realise that the BGB is neither mandatory nor statutory, but just a guide dont you?

Of course! But I'm just not that anti or feel like I must go against the grain for the sake of it.
At the end of the day I'm part of a scam and if I choose a job as part of my annual assessment then I know it's all tip top for the sake of a sticker that 9/10 can go in side the flap of the DB and be hidden until the flap is pulled down so doesn't look like a Panini sticker album as you put it.

 

[Plonker 3]

Peopple need to use their brains a little more, not be led by a book. I am not having a dig at either of you, but what purpose does a sticker on a DB stating there are different colours used on on a install actually serve?

 

[Leesparkykent]

Peopple need to use their brains a little more, not be led by a book. I am not having a dig at either of you, but what purpose does a sticker on a DB stating there are different colours used on on a install actually serve?

nothing to a spark

 

[Guest666]

Peopple need tomuse their brains alittle ore, not led by a book. I am not having a dig at either of you, but what purpose does a sticker on a DB ststing there are diffenrent colours used on on a install actually serve?

I agree completely but it costs me nothing to comply so I just get on with it. I do not know all the answers so I choose to use the book as my guide, safe in the knowledge that it will back me up if things go wrong.

I am also a member of a 'scam' that my clients hold in high regard so it also makes good business sense to me. I can seperate my business desicions from my personal feelings towards BS7671.

 

[Plonker 3]

Maybe you should challenge your assesor next time then, prove you can think outside the box and provide a reasoned argument. While I agree the regs are " our bible" so to speak, you should alos yourself be capable of arguing any pros and cons in it that affect your install.

 

[rapparee]

Well this thread has moved on since i last looked at it. Zakary i didn't realise you're a retired spark and i'm sorry if i was a little curt with you earlier.

If the cable is to be used on your own house or for friends/family by all means, but if it is a paying customer you'd have to ask yourself if it is morally right to be getting shot of old stock onto an unsuspecting customer.

 

[Guest666]

Maybe you should challenge your assesor next time then, prove you can think outside the box and provide a reasoned argument. While I agree the regs are " our bible" so to speak, you should alos yourself be capable of arguing any pros and cons in it that affect your install.

Naaah. Life is to short for the sake of a 2p sticker. It would cost me 10000 times that to argue my case. Not a good business desicion, and for what? One upmanship over someone I see once a year. Keep him sweet. Buy him lunch. See him in 12 months. Everyone's happy.

 

[Plonker 3]

You pay good money for your annual assesment, why shouldn't you argue your case?

There are too many yes men who are members of the scams, dont be a sheep.

 

[Guest666]

You pay good money for your annual assesment, why shouldn't you argue your case?

There are too many yes men who are members of the scams, dont be a sheep.

What do you mean? I do not pay anything to be a member of the NICEIC.

 

[Leesparkykent]

What do you mean? I do not pay anything to be a member of the NICEIC.

Pass the cost on to your customers I take it?

 

[Paul.M]

Wow this thread is so off topic.

Thread Closed.