Jib grading

[keh7486]

HI there, I know most people have heard this question so many times before but I’ve searched and there are so many different answers to this question.

I want to know what Grading I will be given once I have finished my 2356 NVQ Level 3

I put myself through college and wasn’t under a apprentice scheme,

I have a -Trainee JIB card
- ECS Card
-2330 Level 2 & 3
- 2382 17th Edition

I have always worked in the trade while at college and just wondered if I had to do the am2 or is the NVQ enough.
I’m confident I would pass the am2 but hoped I wouldn’t need it and could spend the £800 on the 2391 instead.

Thanks any help would be appreciated

 

[rmc86uk]

When you complete your NVQ L3 you would be graded as Electrician with rest of quals you have. At the moment it looks like you would be graded as Senior Graded Electrical Trainee because of you having a level 2 and 3 2330

http://www.jib.org.uk/gdelec.htm

From what I know you do not need to do AM2 as this for apprentices but you can do just to show competence.

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[ezzzekiel]

approved electrician once you gain the nvq

 

[keh7486]

thanks for the quick response guys

 

[rmc86uk]

He doesn't have his 2391 yet so would grade as Electrician you only become Approved Electrician once gaining 2391 and have worked as a graded electrician for at least two years

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[tonys]

He doesn't have his 2391 yet so would grade as Electrician you only become Approved Electrician once gaining 2391 and have worked as a graded electrician for at least two years

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Correct

 

[millwall ken]

approved electrician once you gain the nvq

Approved spark??? NOT without 2391 and two years experience as a JIB electrician.

 

[ian.settle1]

approved electrician once you gain the nvq

Think you need 2391 to get approved

JIB Grading Definitions - Approved Electrician Grade

 

[rmc86uk]

Says this in my earlier post

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[j.mawer]

So as a matter of curiosity if you had a degree in electrical / electronic engineering a 2382 and 2391 but crucially no 2330 or apprenticeship would you still be a labourer in JIB?
How does that change if you have been working in the electrical industry but not under a JIB electrician?

 

[Steve1412]

JIB!!!!!..I have 236 pt 1 and 2, ONC, HNC, C&G 2391, 2400, 16th Ed, 17th Ed, and a whole host of other qulas but cannot get JIB card as I have never worked for JIB firm...........Never stopped me getting to Elec Eng.

 

[tonys]

So as a matter of curiosity if you had a degree in electrical / electronic engineering a 2382 and 2391 but crucially no 2330 or apprenticeship would you still be a labourer in JIB?
How does that change if you have been working in the electrical industry but not under a JIB electrician?

You can have what qualifications you like, but you need the practical to go with it. There could be people out there with the biggest most complex brain in the world, but who knows they might not be able to bend and set conduit, make off micc cable ends, make off swa ends. Ive worked with an hnc bloke and he was basically an Engineer but a panel builder, he struggled on site.

I know IQ is an engineer, but he his also a JIB Approved/Technician Electrician and still gets his Tools out and bends and sets a bit of conduit now and then lol
So unless an Engineer as his qualities they won't get a ticket. Too Right as well

 

[rmc86uk]

I agree with the above, this is why you need the NVQ L3 which shows your practical competence!

 

[j.mawer]

I'm not debating the practical competence is essential. I too have worked with very "qualified" but essentially useless engineers (oh and by that I mean engineers ;-)). I'm not convinced that being practically skilled but not having a reasonable understanding of maths is a winner either but sometimes you have to wonder. I'm not saying in the remotest that a degree makes you a better electricain than an apprentice trained, or even a good electrician. I was, as I said, asking an innocent question out of curiosity I apologize and will go back to trying to help trainee electricians asking maths questions

 

[malcolmsanford]

Yes to be graded as an installtion Electrician you need to have a level 3 NVQ or equivilent in electrical installtion.

Why with a degree would someone want an installation electrician garding?

 

[IQ Electrical]

You can have what qualifications you like, but you need the practical to go with it. There could be people out there with the biggest most complex brain in the world, but who knows they might not be able to bend and set conduit, make off micc cable ends, make off swa ends. Ive worked with an hnc bloke and he was basically an Engineer but a panel builder, he struggled on site.

I know IQ is an engineer, but he his also a JIB Approved/Technician Electrician and still gets his Tools out and bends and sets a bit of conduit now and then lol
So unless an Engineer as his qualities they won't get a ticket. Too Right as well

Too right, here's the proof:

 

[tonys]

IQ - That's you trying to export an earth through a lump of tncs pipe lol

 

[IQ Electrical]

Ah don't, please!

 

[Steve1412]

I served my time as electrician and worked on everything from domestic to heavy industrial, worked my way up and am now elec eng....still carry tools with me and am first in there with my avo....always respect those who have started from the bottom...i meet engineers all the time who came straight from university with all the whistles and bells of qualifications but when one of them told me he had calculated a 28mm earth cable thats when you know experience always wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[j.mawer]

That's todays education system for you! There are different ways from getting from a to b. I have in the past been surprised by people with degrees who have shown fantastic (engineering) ability with little real world experience and conversely people who have "done it for 20 years" and I end up doing there stuff again because 20 years ago it was right but times change. I would say judge everyone by what they do, what they say and how they say, not because they have a piece of paper but most people deserve a chance doesn't matter where they came from or where they want to go as long as they want to try, but hey that's just my view.

 

[sbrown2]

I agree, but obviously the JIB has to set some standards or whats the point. I think the point is, vocational qualifications upto level three are standard for giving a good rate of craftsmen/technicians. Whereas if you have your degree you would maybe jump to the management/engineering roles which are still assessed by the JIB but with differing vocational and academic requirements. You would also maybe looking at alternative registration with the, lets say IET, with designatory letter, lets say MIET and CEng.

They are all worthwhile qualifications its just where you fit in.

 

[j.mawer]

Sorry last comment was a general observation not with regard to JIB, I get the practical bit for that.

 

[tonys]

Steve - Why an earth do you want a JIB ticket when your an Electrical Engineer with Electricians skills. Your well above a JIB Approved Electrician.

J.mawer - A piece of paper illustrates a level a person as achieved, whether it be on the theory side or practical side. I find the biggest critics and moaners are the ones who think they are entitled to something but do not meet the criteria. This is not a dig at you, but everybody knows the rules.

 

[j.mawer]

tonys my original question really because I didn't know the rules (OK I had a pretty good idea as I had read the website), I now know them (very clearly) and really am not trying to suggest they should be anything else! Thanks for your help. You were correct by the way I cann't bend a bit conduit and having tried a couple of times have the up most respect for those who can ! also don't have 2391 either so it was embarrassingly an academic question which I actually quite regret asking

 

[tonys]

J.mawer - Don't take any of my posts as a dig mate, also there not always serious either.

 

[yido81]

while we are on the subject of JIB grading, ive been in the industry for ten years now, and i got my 2360 part 1 back in 2003, and im halfway through my 2330 level 3, after that i will take my nvq 3, and then i hope to get some sort of grading by the JIB, but as im working through angencies, can i get a grading as im not working for a JIB company?? any help much appreciated

 

[ezzzekiel]

He doesn't have his 2391 yet so would grade as Electrician you only become Approved Electrician once gaining 2391 and have worked as a graded electrician for at least two years

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not according to jib
4) Must have demonstrated competence and obtained a suitable qualification (the City & Guilds 2391 is a suitable qualification)

there are alternatives to the 2391

 

[IQ Electrical]

I imagine 2391-10, 2391-20 or the 2400 would carry similar weights.

 

[sbrown2]

does 2391-01 still stand or do I need to upgrade to 2391-10?

 

[IQ Electrical]

does 2391-01 still stand or do I need to upgrade to 2391-10?

There is no requirement to update as the testing procedures by and large are unchanged and the changes in parameters etc. should be addressed in a 2382 17th edition course/exam.

 

[sbrown2]

Thanks,

made a new post regarding this as Im looking to join NAPIT but they want a 2391 qualification less than 5 years old.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Is that regardless of whether you wish to do building control inspections?

 

[IQ Electrical]

I read that they'd done some deal with LABC's to do inspections on their behalf and one of the requirements was a 2391-10 passed within 5 years.

I can't see anything mentioned on the general NAPIT requirement page here:

http://www.napit.org.uk/downloads/CP_Electrical_Scheme.pdf

 

[sbrown2]

Thanks for the reply. I think I would stick with the general requirements for starters. I won't deny, I just don't want to go ack to studying or back into the classroom again if I can help it. I maybe would for courses taking me into new avenues. I am quite happy to self learn or request help on forums or technical helplines.

Regards

 

[tonys]

I read that they'd done some deal with LABC's to do inspections on their behalf and one of the requirements was a 2391-10 passed within 5 years.

About 8 years ago or so, a mate of mine joined napit for pennies to be put on a register to do these inspections, he never got a phone call. Did napit not original set up for the qualified test and inspector Electrician or something a long them lines?

Now they are just interested in taking money off the working class for their own staff to self promote and earn a good living "FREELOADERS"

 

[sparky1502]

i was taking to my tutor on friday and he said most companys in england have lost faith in the college system purely because of the pass at any cost mentality it all comes down to money when a student completes a course thats when the college recieves the money

 

[millwall ken]

i was taking to my tutor on friday and he said most companys in england have lost faith in the college system purely because of the pass at any cost mentality it all comes down to money when a student completes a course thats when the college recieves the money

Yep, I've heard the same... in fact I know someone who simply won't take anyone on unless they have a gold card - me as well!!! And he's known me for more than eight years.

 

[ian.settle1]

Thanks,

made a new post regarding this as Im looking to join NAPIT but they want a 2391 qualification less than 5 years old.

What a farce because once you have sat and passed the exam you can't take it again under C & G rules unless they change the qualification.

 

[tonys]

I didn't read the 5 year bit lol.

I like to repeat the one where their inspector came to see me in 2009 and he admitted to me that the JIB would only give him a LABOURER'S card. But he sat the napit inferior testing course and passed also told me the short EAL course I think he said was hard to PASS.

I passed the 2391 in 1999/2000, they need to get real and stop thinking they are something of a special organization, they just small fry in the world of Electrical Contractors, all the big boys are with the NICEIC.

All big organizations prefer an Approved NICEIC Company not a napit member.

 

[sbrown2]

I just liked the idea as I am more of a jack of all trades ie plumbing and ventilation

 

[cantabrian9]

i have an approved ticket (for what it,s worth) and i don,t have a 2391

 

[SMB]

cantabrian....thats interesting.

Are you trained with a JiB company then?

Im just interested, im not trying to open a can of worms.

Ive worked for a JiB company, lots, like years, almost 10 years. I wasn't employed by them though, I was self-employed from the day I recieved my 2360/2.

Ive got an interview on the 7th Feb. Its for the government. If I get the job then the JiB can go swivel. If I don't get the job then I need to be JiB registered it seems if im gonna be able to apply for many jobs?.

Answers?

JiB?

 

[ian.settle1]

i have an approved ticket (for what it,s worth) and i don,t have a 2391

Had mine for 20 years before I even took the 2391

 

[tonys]

Its the new criteria

 

[cantabrian9]

i finished my apprenticeship in 1968, done the usual,got on bigger firms and they put me in for grading, i don,t do domestic and have no interest in getting 2391 or any other bits of paper cos there is no reward at the end (the 15th was a farce!! we got more for passing it and the failures complained so they put every one on he same money)

 

[ian.settle1]

Remember that wasn't it 10p an hour more if you had the 15th edition.

 

[T.Glass]

I did the full 4 year apprenticeship at my college, passed all the exams etc. Went to Peterborough and did the AM2 test and passed it.
I never applied for the JIB card but they said I can even though I've never worked for a JIB company.
I just worked on dometics and exhibitions with my uncle who is just a one man band.
All I have to do to get the JIB card is to send off my results apparently and I'll get one.
Just in the process of trying to get it now.