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Just been on a website for electrical qualifications and definitions.....and they are clearly saying that "domestic installer course" was simply to give kitchen fitters,plumbers,alarm engineers, etc a basic grasp of electrics so they could basically connect their equipment to a fcu! IT IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER DEEMS A DOMESTIC INSTALLER TO BE A COMPETENT ELECTRICIAN!!!
So all you guys that have paid thousands to these scam training providers and then believed their propaganda that you will be a qualified electrician have been lied to!!!
Btw the IET clearly state a DI with level 2 qualifications is not an electrician. A DI with a level 3 qualification is!
I also seen that and am now going to raise the issue with the union as the IET formerly the IEE have in the past not been able to clearly define what a competent person was and for them now with no consultation of the industry at large to declare that someone who completes a fast track training programme and then attains level 3 but may have no practical experience, is an "electrician" is quite honestly bordering on the laughable to say the least!
Just been on a website for electrical qualifications and definitions.....and they are clearly saying that "domestic installer course" was simply to give ,alarm engineers, etc a basic grasp of electrics
sorry to move off track a bit!!
why are we discussing the DI and electrician differences on a PAT testing thread!!
Durhamsparky, look at what i wrote on 104.
Hi I give 2 quotes one is for a full itemized list of all equipment with serial numbers and make and model fuse size and if changed what was one in it and any other repairs done and a certificate for each item.
Or a certificate just for all items tested with no full details done
But I am certain that the school would not pay the cost of a proper pat test every year,there are many thousands of appliances,and the cost would be astronomical,this is why we dont even get asked anymore and why they will always just get a stickering only job.
Dave I am like you want to do the job right but in this current environment the people who work for the local councils in education are bitching about the cuts on their gold plated pensions that you and I as taxpayers have been paying for and they are now being instructed that there will be a crackdown on the amount of sickies they take even though it was the norm to get yourself off for another 2-3 wekks a year so right now they are in a big sulk plus no one will put there head up above the paripit when they know full well things are not right
You are a bitter oldtimer aren't you? Let me tell you something, First of all, the teacher's pension fund was 'robbed' by Thatcher to the tune of £40 million to fund tory election campaigns, you will remember being an 'oldtimer' that Robert Maxwell did the same thing and was castigated by Thatcher and her cabinet of legal highwaymen to such an extent that he couldn't take it and committed suicide, if only Thatcher had the same level of remorse and done herself in for the sake of the country. The teacher's pension is index linked to keep up with inflation which is sensible and logical. The teacher's pension funds with started in 1923 currently has £46.3 BILLION more than what's been paid out since 1923 so it has a massive surplus and is not in danger of running out. Now the reason YOU are moaning about teacher's pensions (which incidentaly has absolutely nothing to do with this PATtesting thread, so I don't know why you mentioned it in here, you're in the wrong forum), is because you may have or have had a pension which was not index linked. When the teacher's pension which is compulsory, was conceived teachers and lecturer's were a respected part of society and rightly looked after by the government of the time in terms of pensions. Just because you didn't have or don't have a decent pension is not the fault of teachers. It is more likely to have been a non index linked pension system adopted by your employer and by being non index linked means his payments to you would ALWAYS be minimal and guess what, 99.9% of employers of comanies are........yes you've guessed it, Tories. I really surprised that an 'oldtimer' chooses to ignore the damage caused by previous tory goverments and decides to slate teachers, your priorities are all wrong. The tories are attempting to convince the majority of the electorate that teachers are bad people and when the tide turns against the teachers the tories will rob the pension funds again. It time people in the U.K. woke up to the fact that ANY tory's sole purpose is to rob and destroy the working class and by definition the ordinary hard working man in the street. Don't forget that this is a tory party that says the U.K. has a massive financial deficit which taxpayers must foot the bill for. If that's true then WHY for example have we given £7 billion to Eire, £500 million to greedyincompetent bankers yet again this year and £40 billion to help keep the Euro afloat? Why are these supposedly 'affordable' amounts of money not being used to pay this deficit off? I'll tell you why, there's no deficit, this country is relatively prosperous and the tories want the money for themselves. They pass laws for everything under the sun which helps feed our money into their own personally owned companies and government coffers to fund themselves. Enough said.
I have just trawled through this. Those who are not testing to a know and accepted industry CoP will find themselves the wrong side of the dock if something goes wrong. Those who employ them will be in the next room in the same situation. There is a statute law responsibility for clients to select competent contractors, selection on price is not an option. There have been successful prosecutions under statute law on this point, and there have been successful common law prosecutions on the same principal of law.
Strange!!! How is it you seem to miss out Labours achievements of the late 1970's and then the achievements of Blair and Clown between 97 and 2010. In the late 70's with wage restraint we worked without a decent pay rise for years. In the last term they robbed private pensions doing it year on year and also want tax when it's paid out, how many times can you tax something before it's worthless, coupled with Clowns fiscal ( put interest rates up till the mortgage is not affordable) policy and the bankers greed they crashed the banks and made many homeless in the process so Labour are not exactly whiter than white
Back on topic the whole PAT testing industry will come under scrutiny sooner or later as the quality of what is being sold in most cases is not fit for purpose and will end in somebody being seriously or fatally injured. It is unfortunate that those procuring the PAT testing are not usually sufficiently skilled to know whether they are getting the work done correctly and are not fully aware of their responsibility yet will be liable if someone is injured. Generally I am against regulation but this is one area that does need it, may be it would be a good one for rogue traders or one of the other consumer shows to look into
Oldtimer, make your mind up please, you're now talking about firefighters but in your last post you were specifically targeting people in education and mentioned the 'long' holidays they get which by inference is teachers and lecturers. I'm telling you, because I work in exactly that field, that 99.9% of teachers and lecturer's DO NOT have abnormal absenteeism rates. As for firefighters, if their bosses can't keep them occupied during a shift it's their bosses fault not the firefighters fault and I might add here that if their bosses were as competent as their salaries suggest they are we would not be reading about the death of a woman who was trapped down a well/large hole or whatever it was for eight whole hours whilst these same bosses discussed health and safety. Also you may like to consider that one of these 'no-good' fire fighters was actually down the hole with her for six hours comforting her while his absurdly incompetent superiors debated what to do. If was deemed safe enough fhe tor one firefighter to go down but apparently not safe enough to rescue her, as I said in my last post, get real. As for your last sentence above, in real terms, most public sector workers have already suffered massive paycuts over the last 4/5/ years because they've been denied any increase in wages in that time. What about you? If you are in employment when did you last get a pay increase?Well Dave i am glad you got your venom out but I seen this mentality first hand I failed to mention the firefighters who got a deal that they could go to bed on a nightshift and run as they put it a wee business on their days off or the guy who used to live next door and self certified himself every 13 weeks as he also had a taxi business now I am not say they were all at it but there has been a crackdown on sickies not because they have been persecuted but because they had the highest levels of sickies across the board so come off it this is real life we are talking about here and as for me being Bitter well lets just say I am calling a shovel a spade here sadly if the last crowd ie Labour had got this situation under control we would not be having this conversation as they put it public workers are on a lower wage but get a good pension but move on 13 years and their conditions are the same or even better than the private sector and now well I dont blame them for screaming their heads off and I suspect that you have a toe dipped in that pool somewhere but like the story with the golden goose to little to late yes they have had no pay rise for 2 years but wake up neither has anybody else so think on here in Ireland, Spain ,Portugal all public sector workers have had no pay rise for 3 years and between a 15%-20% pay cut Mind you its your opinion and I respect that but I have lived in the real world I will retire on what I retire on and I will not be bitter because someone has a better pension why ? because thats the cards life deals so hang on to your hat because if the Euro zone does implode the same public workers screaming their heads off will be just as happy to agree with a 20% paycut just to keep their jobs
As for your last sentence above, in real terms, most public sector workers have already suffered massive paycuts over the last 4/5/ years because they've been denied any increase in wages in that time. What about you? If you are in employment when did you last get a pay increase?
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One last comment, I wish that people would use the term Engineer correctly.
Some of us have studied long & hard for our qualifications, and I have spent more time studying at under & post graduate level than that required for a Medical Doctorate.
I have had my qualifications, experience and competence independently assessed by strangers to get my professional recognition.
Yet someone who has done 1/2 a days training can title themselves Engineer.
One of the best things that Europe could ever do is to make the title Engineer protected in law across Europe as it is in some European countries and other countries around the world.
Please if you are not registered as a Professional Engineer, don't try to be something you are not, because you will be found out oh so easily and this will just discredit yourself and your employer.
This clever little self important legal secretary, obviously puts financial gain over their safety. When will legistlation catch up with the PAT label sticking cowboys out there??
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