The great pat testing scam

[Kamikaze]

A dead give away is when the stickers are upside-down. Usually indicates the person has simply leant over the appliance without touching it.

 

[Adam W]

I did some PAT job which I was told all had to be done in a day because it had to be kept to budget.
There's me working my bottom off from 8am to 5pm, no breaks, pulling all the cables out to check them and get to the plugtops, where interestingly the previous tester hadn't stuck any of his stickers.
No fuse, wrong fuse, reverse polarity, plugtop on T&E... Missed those didn't ya sunshine?

 

[pattesting]

Hi I give 2 quotes one is for a full itemized list of all equipment with serial numbers and make and model fuse size and if changed what was one in it and any other repairs done and a certificate for each item.

Or a certificate just for all items tested with no full details done

 

[madmac]

This again is another example of the colleges and training providers making a quick buck by allowing any Tom,Dick or Harry do the C&G2377 and then tender for work as qualified Pat testers!!! when it was meant, as all of these courses were meant to be, as top up courses for experienced,qualified and competent electricians to get up to speed on the regulations and peculiarities of the job at hand.

 

[madmac]

Just been on a website for electrical qualifications and definitions.....and they are clearly saying that "domestic installer course" was simply to give kitchen fitters,plumbers,alarm engineers, etc a basic grasp of electrics so they could basically connect their equipment to a fcu! IT IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER DEEMS A DOMESTIC INSTALLER TO BE A COMPETENT ELECTRICIAN!!!
So all you guys that have paid thousands to these scam training providers and then believed their propaganda that you will be a qualified electrician have been lied to!!!

 

[Electricalserv]

Just been on a website for electrical qualifications and definitions.....and they are clearly saying that "domestic installer course" was simply to give kitchen fitters,plumbers,alarm engineers, etc a basic grasp of electrics so they could basically connect their equipment to a fcu! IT IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER DEEMS A DOMESTIC INSTALLER TO BE A COMPETENT ELECTRICIAN!!!
So all you guys that have paid thousands to these scam training providers and then believed their propaganda that you will be a qualified electrician have been lied to!!!

Madmac. No doubt you are correct in saying Domestic installers are not sparks. But the NICEIC are the only ones who call members Domestic Installers.

A Domestic Installer is someone who took a short course....Not to get mixed up with an electrician who works on domestics.

Btw the IET clearly state a DI with level 2 qualifications is not an electrician. A DI with a level 3 qualification is!

 

[madmac]

Btw the IET clearly state a DI with level 2 qualifications is not an electrician. A DI with a level 3 qualification is!

I also seen that and am now going to raise the issue with the union as the IET formerly the IEE have in the past not been able to clearly define what a competent person was and for them now with no consultation of the industry at large to declare that someone who completes a fast track training programme and then attains level 3 but may have no practical experience, is an "electrician" is quite honestly bordering on the laughable to say the least!

 

[Electricalserv]

Btw the IET clearly state a DI with level 2 qualifications is not an electrician. A DI with a level 3 qualification is!

I also seen that and am now going to raise the issue with the union as the IET formerly the IEE have in the past not been able to clearly define what a competent person was and for them now with no consultation of the industry at large to declare that someone who completes a fast track training programme and then attains level 3 but may have no practical experience, is an "electrician" is quite honestly bordering on the laughable to say the least!

Your right but how can you prove experience? From a previous employer? Well I'm sure that won't be as fool prrof as you think. Employers will be more than willing to lie for someones experience

 

[madmac]

Your right but how can you prove experience? From a previous employer? Well I'm sure that won't be as fool prrof as you think. Employers will be more than willing to lie for someones experience

I agree with you there mate, I wouldn't accept any word of mouth guarantee from a mob because the way this industry is at the moment there isn't an honest one amongst the whole shower! It brings me back to the tried and tested ways of proving experience and competency......Apprenticeship,adult trainee but basically any method where you gain your quals. and experience as a package and not one or the other, then when you get your grading and you want to jump around mobs you use the JIB/SJIB card/grading system as back up( not perfect either I admit), and you go to night school( as i have done on numerous occassions) to gain further qualifications in the industry that an employer will be looking for but over all it is a combination of all these things and not just quals. or someone saying you are experienced.

 

[alarm man]

Just been on a website for electrical qualifications and definitions.....and they are clearly saying that "domestic installer course" was simply to give ,alarm engineers, etc a basic grasp of electrics

cheers mac..:33: i know what you mean tho..:yesnod:

 

[DurhamSparky]

sorry to move off track a bit!!

why are we discussing the DI and electrician differences on a PAT testing thread!!

 

[alarm man]

sorry to move off track a bit!!

why are we discussing the DI and electrician differences on a PAT testing thread!!

because its not a iso 9000 thread..

 

[madmac]

Durhamsparky, look at what i wrote on 104.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Durhamsparky, look at what i wrote on 104.

Then your post 105 took it off track.

As said wayyyyyyy back, tight fisted companies are getting the cheapest PAT testers in, all we can do is stick to what we do best and do a thorough job and sleep well at night.

 

[madmac]

Good on you Mark for keeping up the standard and I know I went off track a bit but it's all part of the bigger picture in our industry.

 

[gtrance]

Hi, I've read some of this thread with interest and have a couple of questions if that's okay. We run a furniture shop and every so often get a cold call from a pat testing company offering their services. Recently we accepted a quote from one company which was £50 + vat for up to 18 appliances and then 85 pence for every appliance there after. The up to 18 was agreed after we estimated we had about 15 appliances in our shop. Chap came round and tested each appliance by unplugging it, plugging it into a machine of some sort. Looking at the readout from the machine then plugging it back in and stickering it up. It took approx 1-2mins for each appliance. In the end he tested 13 appliances and was out in less than 30 minutes. I didn't notice any visual inspection as such nor do I know if he should have been doing more than what he did. Based on this information, does this sound like a quick rush job which wouldn't have been anywhere near thorough enough? If so, what exactly is the process for testing each appliance? Also, is £50 + vat about right for testing 13 appliances? I notice some of you mention you charge £2-£3 per appliance. Is this on top of a fixed callout fee or do you just expect to have a minumum number of appliances to do and therefore the job is worth it without a callout charge? Many Thanks Greg

 

[gtrance]

I did insert breaks between paragraphs in the above post but they don't seem to be working...

 

[i=p/u]

some have call out charge and some have minimum amount of appliances (under20) works in roundabouts.. yes he should do visual before testing as far as dismatle the plug, tugg at the flex etc... but what you have read some people arnt doing this as they seem it tests ok it is ok, but a test machine will not pick up some faults that a visual would..... if you read this thread yo'l see you dont always get what you pay for..

 

[Burnt Fingers]

We do £50 certificate Fee, plus Inventory fee of £50.00/100 appliances or £100/100+ appliances. Also charge for travel to site, and a basic £1.50 per item. Repairs range from £0.50 for a fuse to £30.00 for replacing a flex.

But no money can compensate for greasy, gross appliances in Fish and Chip shops..........

 

[Graeme Harrold]

Try a kebab house!!!!

 

[davie spark]

I would have fully explained this scam to the authorities if I was you purely from the point of view of 'it's the principle of the fact that they are getting away with this scam'. Having said that I would also have to personally consider that I myself could be contributing to the death of a child by NOT reporting these electrical impersonators. NAME AND SHAME THEM NOW.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Davie spark...if you are referring to the OP...I did report my findings to the school via the maintenance caretaker guys,and I understand some action was taken while they were still on site.As the pat testing is nothing to do with me I was cautious not to blunder in and upset the wrong people,with possible consequences to the regular work we do get at the school....It could be seen as sour grapes due to the fact that someone else was awarded the contract. But I am certain that the school would not pay the cost of a proper pat test every year,there are many thousands of appliances,and the cost would be astronomical,this is why we dont even get asked anymore and why they will always just get a stickering only job.

 

[UNG]

Hi I give 2 quotes one is for a full itemized list of all equipment with serial numbers and make and model fuse size and if changed what was one in it and any other repairs done and a certificate for each item.

Or a certificate just for all items tested with no full details done

But I am certain that the school would not pay the cost of a proper pat test every year,there are many thousands of appliances,and the cost would be astronomical,this is why we dont even get asked anymore and why they will always just get a stickering only job.

I think these two comments show both sides of PAT testing, cost seems to be the priority over a proper job and those authorising the work in most cases seem to be ignorant of their responsibility under the relevant legislation yet the companies carrying out PAT testing offer no, little or poor advice to prospective customers as to what the legislation requires or the possible penalties when something goes wrong. It would make an interesting court case if a fatality occurred as to where the duty of care lay as ignorance is not a defence and who would end up with the fine or imprisonment for failing to meet the requirements of the legislation or providing a sub standard PAT testing service

 

[davie spark]

I wasn't going to reply in a thread again in this forum as there are one or two people in this forum who get upset with the 'advice' I post. They seem to think that over-compliance with B.S. 7671 is something to be frowned upon even when a safer installation is the outcome. I can understand where you're coming from and to be given a contract for 'stickying only' is a contract for disaster if they are not as you say doing the actual testing.

 

[dingledong]

but this is the same in all jobs even electrical . where people get the job as they are the cheapest even electricians i know of two er electrical people who could rewire a house no earths at all no proper ring just bodged, but it all worked the customer was happy as the job was cheap and everything was working !!!!

 

[oldtimer]

Dave I am like you want to do the job right but in this current environment the people who work for the local councils in education are bitching about the cuts on their gold plated pensions that you and I as taxpayers have been paying for and they are now being instructed that there will be a crackdown on the amount of sickies they take even though it was the norm to get yourself off for another 2-3 wekks a year so right now they are in a big sulk plus no one will put there head up above the paripit when they know full well things are not right

 

[davie spark]

Dave I am like you want to do the job right but in this current environment the people who work for the local councils in education are bitching about the cuts on their gold plated pensions that you and I as taxpayers have been paying for and they are now being instructed that there will be a crackdown on the amount of sickies they take even though it was the norm to get yourself off for another 2-3 wekks a year so right now they are in a big sulk plus no one will put there head up above the paripit when they know full well things are not right

You are a bitter oldtimer aren't you? Let me tell you something, First of all, the teacher's pension fund was 'robbed' by Thatcher to the tune of £40 million to fund tory election campaigns, you will remember being an 'oldtimer' that Robert Maxwell did the same thing and was castigated by Thatcher and her cabinet of legal highwaymen to such an extent that he couldn't take it and committed suicide, if only Thatcher had the same level of remorse and done herself in for the sake of the country. The teacher's pension is index linked to keep up with inflation which is sensible and logical. The teacher's pension funds with started in 1923 currently has £46.3 BILLION more than what's been paid out since 1923 so it has a massive surplus and is not in danger of running out. Now the reason YOU are moaning about teacher's pensions (which incidentaly has absolutely nothing to do with this PATtesting thread, so I don't know why you mentioned it in here, you're in the wrong forum), is because you may have or have had a pension which was not index linked. When the teacher's pension which is compulsory, was conceived teachers and lecturer's were a respected part of society and rightly looked after by the government of the time in terms of pensions. Just because you didn't have or don't have a decent pension is not the fault of teachers. It is more likely to have been a non index linked pension system adopted by your employer and by being non index linked means his payments to you would ALWAYS be minimal and guess what, 99.9% of employers of comanies are........yes you've guessed it, Tories. I really surprised that an 'oldtimer' chooses to ignore the damage caused by previous tory goverments and decides to slate teachers, your priorities are all wrong. The tories are attempting to convince the majority of the electorate that teachers are bad people and when the tide turns against the teachers the tories will rob the pension funds again. It time people in the U.K. woke up to the fact that ANY tory's sole purpose is to rob and destroy the working class and by definition the ordinary hard working man in the street. Don't forget that this is a tory party that says the U.K. has a massive financial deficit which taxpayers must foot the bill for. If that's true then WHY for example have we given £7 billion to Eire, £500 million to greedyincompetent bankers yet again this year and £40 billion to help keep the Euro afloat? Why are these supposedly 'affordable' amounts of money not being used to pay this deficit off? I'll tell you why, there's no deficit, this country is relatively prosperous and the tories want the money for themselves. They pass laws for everything under the sun which helps feed our money into their own personally owned companies and government coffers to fund themselves. Enough said.

 

[davie spark]

I should have added to the last post, the stuff I've highlighted in RED which is 'oldtimer's comments' is crap, the very large majority of teacher's and lecturer's do not take a large amount of 'sickies'. Teacher's pensions are not 'gold plated', bankers and MPs pensions are 'gold plated' and they still get them for gross incompetence. Finally, as for people i.e. teacher's 'sulking'. I'm afraid is blatently obvious that it's you who sulking regarding the non pension you have.

 

[oldtimer]

Well Dave i am glad you got your venom out but I seen this mentality first hand I failed to mention the firefighters who got a deal that they could go to bed on a nightshift and run as they put it a wee business on their days off or the guy who used to live next door and self certified himself every 13 weeks as he also had a taxi business now I am not say they were all at it but there has been a crackdown on sickies not because they have been persecuted but because they had the highest levels of sickies across the board so come off it this is real life we are talking about here and as for me being Bitter well lets just say I am calling a shovel a spade here sadly if the last crowd ie Labour had got this situation under control we would not be having this conversation as they put it public workers are on a lower wage but get a good pension but move on 13 years and their conditions are the same or even better than the private sector and now well I dont blame them for screaming their heads off and I suspect that you have a toe dipped in that pool somewhere but like the story with the golden goose to little to late yes they have had no pay rise for 2 years but wake up neither has anybody else so think on here in Ireland, Spain ,Portugal all public sector workers have had no pay rise for 3 years and between a 15%-20% pay cut Mind you its your opinion and I respect that but I have lived in the real world I will retire on what I retire on and I will not be bitter because someone has a better pension why ? because thats the cards life deals so hang on to your hat because if the Euro zone does implode the same public workers screaming their heads off will be just as happy to agree with a 20% paycut just to keep their jobs

 

[alarm man]

ive had to take a days holiday for the 30th as the kids are off,angry! not at all,you cant just change peoples pensions to suit while sitting on a great one yourself,so while it doesnt affect me directly i support their action..

 

[netblindpaul]

I have just trawled through this.

Those who are not testing to a know and accepted industry CoP will find themselves the wrong side of the dock if something goes wrong.

Those who employ them will be in the next room in the same situation.

There is a statute law responsibility for clients to select competent contractors, selection on price is not an option.
There have been successful prosecutions under statute law on this point, and there have been successful common law prosecutions on the same principal of law.

 

[jaresquire]

Whilst I've made light of NBPs weilding of The Law he is correct. I can't see where the grey area is with PAT, the COP is easy to read with pretty pictures, the C&G exam is simples.

 

[UNG]

You are a bitter oldtimer aren't you? Let me tell you something, First of all, the teacher's pension fund was 'robbed' by Thatcher to the tune of £40 million to fund tory election campaigns, you will remember being an 'oldtimer' that Robert Maxwell did the same thing and was castigated by Thatcher and her cabinet of legal highwaymen to such an extent that he couldn't take it and committed suicide, if only Thatcher had the same level of remorse and done herself in for the sake of the country. The teacher's pension is index linked to keep up with inflation which is sensible and logical. The teacher's pension funds with started in 1923 currently has £46.3 BILLION more than what's been paid out since 1923 so it has a massive surplus and is not in danger of running out. Now the reason YOU are moaning about teacher's pensions (which incidentaly has absolutely nothing to do with this PATtesting thread, so I don't know why you mentioned it in here, you're in the wrong forum), is because you may have or have had a pension which was not index linked. When the teacher's pension which is compulsory, was conceived teachers and lecturer's were a respected part of society and rightly looked after by the government of the time in terms of pensions. Just because you didn't have or don't have a decent pension is not the fault of teachers. It is more likely to have been a non index linked pension system adopted by your employer and by being non index linked means his payments to you would ALWAYS be minimal and guess what, 99.9% of employers of comanies are........yes you've guessed it, Tories. I really surprised that an 'oldtimer' chooses to ignore the damage caused by previous tory goverments and decides to slate teachers, your priorities are all wrong. The tories are attempting to convince the majority of the electorate that teachers are bad people and when the tide turns against the teachers the tories will rob the pension funds again. It time people in the U.K. woke up to the fact that ANY tory's sole purpose is to rob and destroy the working class and by definition the ordinary hard working man in the street. Don't forget that this is a tory party that says the U.K. has a massive financial deficit which taxpayers must foot the bill for. If that's true then WHY for example have we given £7 billion to Eire, £500 million to greedyincompetent bankers yet again this year and £40 billion to help keep the Euro afloat? Why are these supposedly 'affordable' amounts of money not being used to pay this deficit off? I'll tell you why, there's no deficit, this country is relatively prosperous and the tories want the money for themselves. They pass laws for everything under the sun which helps feed our money into their own personally owned companies and government coffers to fund themselves. Enough said.

Strange!!! How is it you seem to miss out Labours achievements of the late 1970's and then the achievements of Blair and Clown between 97 and 2010. In the late 70's with wage restraint we worked without a decent pay rise for years. In the last term they robbed private pensions doing it year on year and also want tax when it's paid out, how many times can you tax something before it's worthless, coupled with Clowns fiscal ( put interest rates up till the mortgage is not affordable) policy and the bankers greed they crashed the banks and made many homeless in the process so Labour are not exactly whiter than white

I have just trawled through this. Those who are not testing to a know and accepted industry CoP will find themselves the wrong side of the dock if something goes wrong. Those who employ them will be in the next room in the same situation. There is a statute law responsibility for clients to select competent contractors, selection on price is not an option. There have been successful prosecutions under statute law on this point, and there have been successful common law prosecutions on the same principal of law.

Back on topic the whole PAT testing industry will come under scrutiny sooner or later as the quality of what is being sold in most cases is not fit for purpose and will end in somebody being seriously or fatally injured. It is unfortunate that those procuring the PAT testing are not usually sufficiently skilled to know whether they are getting the work done correctly and are not fully aware of their responsibility yet will be liable if someone is injured. Generally I am against regulation but this is one area that does need it, may be it would be a good one for rogue traders or one of the other consumer shows to look into

 

[IQ Electrical]

Strange!!! How is it you seem to miss out Labours achievements of the late 1970's and then the achievements of Blair and Clown between 97 and 2010. In the late 70's with wage restraint we worked without a decent pay rise for years. In the last term they robbed private pensions doing it year on year and also want tax when it's paid out, how many times can you tax something before it's worthless, coupled with Clowns fiscal ( put interest rates up till the mortgage is not affordable) policy and the bankers greed they crashed the banks and made many homeless in the process so Labour are not exactly whiter than white



Back on topic the whole PAT testing industry will come under scrutiny sooner or later as the quality of what is being sold in most cases is not fit for purpose and will end in somebody being seriously or fatally injured. It is unfortunate that those procuring the PAT testing are not usually sufficiently skilled to know whether they are getting the work done correctly and are not fully aware of their responsibility yet will be liable if someone is injured. Generally I am against regulation but this is one area that does need it, may be it would be a good one for rogue traders or one of the other consumer shows to look into

Well said UNG (both paragraphs).

The whole inspection business is heading in the wrong direction, whether it's PAT or Periodic.

The average client has no idea of his/her responsibility in terms of selection of a competent contractor.

I'd be firmly in favour of any legislation/campaign that would illustrate and reinforce the responsibilities of a duty holder but I don't anticipate it happening soon!

Until then, we'll just continue hearing of the 50p PAT and the garbage 'Google Earth' Periodic Inspection Reports.....

 

[davie spark]

Well Dave i am glad you got your venom out but I seen this mentality first hand I failed to mention the firefighters who got a deal that they could go to bed on a nightshift and run as they put it a wee business on their days off or the guy who used to live next door and self certified himself every 13 weeks as he also had a taxi business now I am not say they were all at it but there has been a crackdown on sickies not because they have been persecuted but because they had the highest levels of sickies across the board so come off it this is real life we are talking about here and as for me being Bitter well lets just say I am calling a shovel a spade here sadly if the last crowd ie Labour had got this situation under control we would not be having this conversation as they put it public workers are on a lower wage but get a good pension but move on 13 years and their conditions are the same or even better than the private sector and now well I dont blame them for screaming their heads off and I suspect that you have a toe dipped in that pool somewhere but like the story with the golden goose to little to late yes they have had no pay rise for 2 years but wake up neither has anybody else so think on here in Ireland, Spain ,Portugal all public sector workers have had no pay rise for 3 years and between a 15%-20% pay cut Mind you its your opinion and I respect that but I have lived in the real world I will retire on what I retire on and I will not be bitter because someone has a better pension why ? because thats the cards life deals so hang on to your hat because if the Euro zone does implode the same public workers screaming their heads off will be just as happy to agree with a 20% paycut just to keep their jobs

Oldtimer, make your mind up please, you're now talking about firefighters but in your last post you were specifically targeting people in education and mentioned the 'long' holidays they get which by inference is teachers and lecturers. I'm telling you, because I work in exactly that field, that 99.9% of teachers and lecturer's DO NOT have abnormal absenteeism rates. As for firefighters, if their bosses can't keep them occupied during a shift it's their bosses fault not the firefighters fault and I might add here that if their bosses were as competent as their salaries suggest they are we would not be reading about the death of a woman who was trapped down a well/large hole or whatever it was for eight whole hours whilst these same bosses discussed health and safety. Also you may like to consider that one of these 'no-good' fire fighters was actually down the hole with her for six hours comforting her while his absurdly incompetent superiors debated what to do. If was deemed safe enough fhe tor one firefighter to go down but apparently not safe enough to rescue her, as I said in my last post, get real. As for your last sentence above, in real terms, most public sector workers have already suffered massive paycuts over the last 4/5/ years because they've been denied any increase in wages in that time. What about you? If you are in employment when did you last get a pay increase?

 

[malcolmsanford]

Welcome back Davie the place as not been the same without you, I'm glad to see that you have given me a mention in a previous post.

 

[davie spark]

Please unsubscribe me from this forum, i've tried to do so without success.

 

[UNG]

As for your last sentence above, in real terms, most public sector workers have already suffered massive paycuts over the last 4/5/ years because they've been denied any increase in wages in that time. What about you? If you are in employment when did you last get a pay increase?

A pay rise for the self employed usually working longer and harder than the previous year and if any of the extra money is left after all the schemes, public sector pensions and hangers on are paid then you have a pay rise, Simples

Please unsubscribe me from this forum, i've tried to do so without success.

Obviously the heat on the forum was too much so he's left the room

 

[Guest123]

Please unsubscribe me from this forum, i've tried to do so without success.

Request Granted.

 

[netblindpaul]

One last comment, I wish that people would use the term Engineer correctly.

Some of us have studied long & hard for our qualifications, and I have spent more time studying at under & post graduate level than that required for a Medical Doctorate.

I have had my qualifications, experience and competence independently assessed by strangers to get my professional recognition.

Yet someone who has done 1/2 a days training can title themselves Engineer.

One of the best things that Europe could ever do is to make the title Engineer protected in law across Europe as it is in some European countries and other countries around the world.

Please if you are not registered as a Professional Engineer, don't try to be something you are not, because you will be found out oh so easily and this will just discredit yourself and your employer.

 

[alarm man]

One last comment, I wish that people would use the term Engineer correctly.

Some of us have studied long & hard for our qualifications, and I have spent more time studying at under & post graduate level than that required for a Medical Doctorate.

I have had my qualifications, experience and competence independently assessed by strangers to get my professional recognition.

Yet someone who has done 1/2 a days training can title themselves Engineer.

One of the best things that Europe could ever do is to make the title Engineer protected in law across Europe as it is in some European countries and other countries around the world.

Please if you are not registered as a Professional Engineer, don't try to be something you are not, because you will be found out oh so easily and this will just discredit yourself and your employer.

totally agree paul,my job title is security engineer,im not an engineer never will be,im an alarm man/sparky and always will be,the term engineer is being devalued across many trades..imo

 

[jaresquire]

Wasn't Casey Jones an Engineer?

 

[netblindpaul]

Ironically jaresquire,
The US is now one of the territories where the title Engineer is protected!

 

[jaresquire]

Fair play!

 

[UNG]

Does this mean we can't engineer a solution to a problem without proper qualification as an engineer ?

 

[longshanks]

Just had some testers in the offices today and i reckon there is about 300 - 350 appliances to check, they came in and said they have agreed to do visuals on iT stuff, so left em to it and observed now and then, It took them 45 mins to complete and not once did they check the cables or appliances (some of the locations were a nightmare to get to but accesable.they just took the old labels off and then sat around playing with their machines put another lable on then off to the next one.I have never seen this, I MUST NOT SWEAR, approach to this like this before and totally amazed about it.I can't mention where i work but the contract they have is massive and if they do testing !!!!! this quick they must make a fortune.Time to inform somebody i think

 

[wildgoose]

Really liked the 1st letter by Wirepuller. It is so true what you said!

Just to add my 10 pennyworth. I was recently told in no uncertain terms by a secretary in a legal firm, that my quote was far too expensive and inferred I was out to rip them off. There were 150 items on the list to be tested "plus a few new ones scattered around the offices" so that probably means a total of over 170 items.

She told me that a specialist PAT Testing Company had quoted the job at just over 50% of my quote. The ENGINEER told her he would be able to complete all the work in a day and he would be working on his own.

This clever little self important legal secretary, obviously puts financial gain over their safety. When will legistlation catch up with the PAT label sticking cowboys out there??

 

[UNG]

This clever little self important legal secretary, obviously puts financial gain over their safety. When will legistlation catch up with the PAT label sticking cowboys out there??

May be she has a good lawyer that can get her off any charges that may result from going for the cheaper option

 

[i=p/u]

at the end of the day its for employers to do as much resonaly practable to protect their employees and if having that certificate from 1 day course engineer of pat testing.. ands its good value to them, they are going to take it..

 

[meddy]

I woulden't let Chopper test a class 2he can't even spell lol