I am cancelling NIC and joining NAPIT

[p11jor]

Nic are the the most unhelpful set up in history......I have my assesment on Thursday and the two examples I was using are for a housing company who went bust so I have no access.....I phoned nic about this and there only solution was me getting charged £290 + vat for a revisit, when I asked if I could still keep Thursday's visit and at least spend the morning in a cafe with this assessor they said no......why not if I am paying for this!.....they take £290 + vat from me then can still send this assesor somewhere else!.......this to me is proof nic are money grabbing.....

I shall be phoning napit on Monday morning

 

[rocker]

Hi mate, NIC are renowned for this kind of thing, to be honest they are probably all the same, but i'm with ELECSA and I've always found them really helpful when needed.

 

[brucelee]

Or elecsa as they are very helpful mate always have time to answer your questions even the receptionists and if they cant they put you straight through to tech dept

everything i have heard about NICeic leave me to believe they are not very helpful to the electrician as your case proves

 

[topquark]

Go with ELECSA, you know you should

 

[p11jor]

Cheers guys I will have a good look over this weekend, the one I am ticking off is NIC I am cutting my losses on the £230 deposit!

 

[rocker]

Yep you'll probably lose that, but perhaps if you really badger with the 'you weren't even prepared to come out on the date set' angle you may get it back.

Once you start working you probably won't miss the 230, but do you want to work for the rest of your career under a load of unhelpful so-and-sos?

also, elecsa will probably take you on with one CU change....

 

[truckster]

Elecsa are very good. Last year I had to cancel my assessment with two days notice due to my grandson being born 4 months premature, bad time. Elecsa rescheduled no problem and didn't charge me a cent.

 

[Graeme Harrold]

Will vouch for ELECSA being top notch too. Also believe they have the cheapest notification costs too, and it simples on their portal......

 

[p11jor]

To be honest two years membership of either napit or elecsa compared to nic yearly fee and there is my money back!......plus nic I have to now do two more jobs and get them signed by labc at £280 a pop is making me despise them!

This elecsa seem very reasonable and helpful, thanks guys, it's defo an eye opener and not all that rosey having that Niceic badge on the van!

 

[Ponty Massive]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^as above!!!

 

[Graeme Harrold]

ELECSA are no easier to get in standard wise, they just seem to take a more sensible approach to any NC's raised on a visit. Photographic evidence of rectification and a threat of a follow up visit to check next year.......(damm you earth pit, though the rod was well protected without one!!!)

 

[rocker]

Graeme has that spot on - I had a bit of calibration confusion on my last visit and they just told me to get it done within 2 weeks - I know a guy who had the same problem with NIC and they insisted on a revisit.

But if your assessor is anything like mine, on your first assessment they do go through it all, but as long as you know your stuff and you have done a tidy job they are happy. Wouldn't be suprised if NIC were on bonuses for the amount of revisits they can get....

 

[Bradzz]

Makes me wonder why? they carry on like this, have they always been like this, or is it more recent? with power comes ignorance, then ingnorance becomes weakness, then weakness becomes a worthless membership, keep it up Nic.
for some reason Napit sticks out for me as a good company not sure why, i need to have a good look at what they require for me to join, any infomation would be appreciated, as im off to a friends to tidy up some electrics next week, maybe i could use it to get registration? Talk to me Lads.

 

[Des 56]

In not so many years,the almost assured monopoly of popularity of name that they enjoy at present amongst those who contract out electrical works etc will diminish

The organisation will then have to change its ways

The arrogance they display at present wont be tolerated if alternatives such as elecsa continue to grow along with the much better relationship with its members

Where inroads are not being made is in sectors other than domestic,they have dominance and will contiue to have for the foreseable future

I wish the niceic luck all the same,bad luck that is,if there is one organisation I cant abide its that one

 

[p11jor]

****.......I have just cost the Niceic thousands of pounds with this thread.......least I have my own back on them now !!

 

[flukey]

im only with nic because most people have heard of them. helpline is pretty poor as they normally refer you back to 7671 instead of offering their stance on anything.
they are all the same price to join and notify work so if you arent worried about public opinion go with the one that suits you needs

 

[rocker]

Bradzzz read this thread and go elecsa, NAPIT and their members are great, but are more geared towards inspection (hence their name), and are not that well known (though they are getting bigger), elecsa and the ECA (elecsa is part of the ECA) are really getting stuck in lately and are getting more recognised, espacially with big, trusted firms like Grittish Bass (yes they are rubbish but still trusted by a public that knows no better)

 

[i=p/u]

how to schemes look on these scinarios,

i worked for company who was in a scheme but subbed all the work out to people who aint looked at a books(guidance) in years and did cut corners, then changed consumer units and just powered up, (no testing )im only on 3rd year and i think it is all hype for nothing...

 

[Electricalserv]

Napit are the ones mate.national association of professional inspectors and testers. They want you to have 2391 mate and for that reason it proves they care about safety. Inspection & testing verifys if an installation is safe or not and if a company gives someone approved status without it I think it's wrong. Yes napit ask for in 12 months but if you don't get it ur out. Go napit

 

[Bradzz]

Got it 2391 2360 1+2 2382 2377.
EAL

Napit are the ones mate.national association of inspectors and testers. They want you to have 2391 mate and for that reason it proves they care about safety. Inspection & testing verifys if an installation is safe or not and if a company gives someone approved status without it I think it's wrong. Yes napit ask for in 12 months but if you don't get it ur out. Go napit

 

[Electricalserv]

Got it 2391 2360 1+2 2382 2377.
EAL

You are exactly who Napit want

 

[timo1]

Hi P11jor, It's a real shame that you have been so unimpressed with NICEIC, however the set of circumstances you found yourself in was quite unfortunate and I'm not sure any other scheme would have done any different? Don't they all say words to the effect that you will be liable for costs if appointments not met?

I am with NICEIC and although it seems they are not well liked, I can only say that my experience with them has been very positive. My assesor was a complete gent and could not have been more helpful, I have also contacted the tech dept and found them to be helpful and realistic and can't say I was left waiting for ages on the phone either. When I booked my assesments I didnt pay LABC I just notified after I passed and it wasnt even an issue raised, perhaps I have been very lucky.

Please dont be offended by my post, if I had the choice I would rather not fork out to any scheme believe me, just trying to introduce some balance lol.

 

[Goody]

im only with nic because most people have heard of them. helpline is pretty poor as they normally refer you back to 7671 instead of offering their stance on anything.
they are all the same price to join and notify work so if you arent worried about public opinion go with the one that suits you needs

When you are a domestic installer, house owners or people living in the house don't care who you are registered with; they only want a neat & reliable job and a certifacte thereafter. it's only the public sector organisations that emphasis on NICEIC certificate.

 

[flukey]

When you are a domestic installer, house owners or people living in the house don't care who you are registered with; they only want a neat & reliable job and a certifacte thereafter.

you gotta be kidding?? most people want the cheapest job possible and couldnt give a ---- about a certificate.
from personal experience i have found that most people i meet have heard of niceic and think that means you are an electrician so gives them some confidence in you.
most people have never even heard of the other schemes, that is why i chose nic. if you believe otherwise then you can join whichever scheme suits you.
at the end of the day the nic have the biggest public profile and their charges are the same as other scheme providers so until the others do something about it by offering reduced membership costs or changing public opinion i wont be changing

 

[Electricalserv]

Flukey, Whilst the NICEIC is 100% the most known scheme I disagree that peopel don't know about other schemes. Put it this way in my area you see 10 Napit logos to every 2 NICEIC logos and tahts just the way its going in my area!

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Been alot of posts about cost being the same.

I think you'll find its just shy of a grand to be an AC for NIC. Same registration at NAPIT just under 400. Been working many years, my work speaks for itself, i have never ever lost a job because im not NIC, in fact never been asked who am with. Maybe once or twice if registered for part P.

 

[flukey]

Flukey, Whilst the NICEIC is 100% the most known scheme I disagree that peopel don't know about other schemes. Put it this way in my area you see 10 Napit logos to every 2 NICEIC logos and tahts just the way its going in my area!

and if that happens in my area i will probably do the same. as i said its personal preference, got nothing against the other scams its what works for you and nic works for me, at present

 

[flukey]

Been alot of posts about cost being the same.

I think you'll find its just shy of a grand to be an AC for NIC. Same registration at NAPIT just under 400. Been working many years, my work speaks for itself, i have never ever lost a job because im not NIC, in fact never been asked who am with. Maybe once or twice if registered for part P.

think the op is refering to domestic installer, not ac. the price you quote is + vat too

 

[Electricalserv]

Btw Napit is £576 all whether defined or full scope. Elecsa are the ones just under £400

 

[The Dav]

i just had my niceic mcs on friday had no problems at all just a couple of ncos on paperwork i think its luck of the draw!!

 

[Sjn electrical]

Hi mate, NIC are renowned for this kind of thing, to be honest they are probably all the same, but i'm with ELECSA and I've always found them really helpful when needed.

I have joined Elesca because i found nic to be so rude and NON helpful or interested.
I would recomend Elecsa to everyone. They were so helpful and supportive.

 

[Goody]

you gotta be kidding?? most people want the cheapest job possible and couldnt give a ---- about a certificate.
from personal experience i have found that most people i meet have heard of niceic and think that means you are an electrician so gives them some confidence in you.
most people have never even heard of the other schemes, that is why i chose nic. if you believe otherwise then you can join whichever scheme suits you.
at the end of the day the nic have the biggest public profile and their charges are the same as other scheme providers so until the others do something about it by offering reduced membership costs or changing public opinion i wont be changing

Yes, some of them don't want to part with money and they don't care for any certificate, likewise they are not bothered as who you are registered with. Some will turn away if you tell them that you are a NICEIC electrician because they think your charges will be beyond their reach.

The public has a misconception on registered electricians in general and this opens the backdoor for the cowboys.

 

[i=p/u]

but dont you think the powers above are creating this misconception

 

[flukey]

Yes, some of them don't want to part with money and they don't care for any certificate, likewise they are not bothered as who you are registered with. Some will turn away if you tell them that you are a NICEIC electrician because they think your charges will be beyond their reach.

The public has a misconception on registered electricians in general and this opens the backdoor for the cowboys.

just goes to show how it differs from area to area

 

[Electricalserv]

Hi p11jor, sorry to hear of the hassle you're having.

feel free to contact NAPIT for some obligation-free advice on 0845 543 0330.

Sincerely...

Ant @ NAPIT.

Edit* contacted by PM

 

[Electricalserv]

Hi Electricalserv,

I merely suggested a source of info for p11jor. Judging by your comment I can only deduct that the advice given will be to pursue the 17th Edition, 2391 etc that you've highlighted.

Apologies if I've inadvertantly caused you concern

Ant @ NAPIT.

No Ant you haven't.

It came up the other day that yopu can get on napits full scope with a 5 day ISO course. I'm unhappy with that and id like to know who I can contact to complain

 

[BlueToBits]

In the days before Part Pee The NICEIC was a charity based consumer organisation where it put the electrical safety interests of the consumer's first, they had no concern for the interests of their approved contractors. Electricians did not need to be registered with any organisation and the NIC approval was seen as a mark of those that voluntarily offered themselves up for techical scrutiny so they could wear the NICEIC badge with pride. Of course the NICEIC is a now a business, but the ethos still remains in there somewhere and perhaps that's why it is easier to get registered by other organisations who may have less stringent rules and requirements? I still don't set up any particular jobs for my assessments, I just hand over a list of all work and the assessor picks any two to visit. If I could only offer two jobs that I was happy to be inspected then I would expect to be knocked back by the NICEIC.

 

[Electricalserv]

In the days before Part Pee The NICEIC was a charity based consumer organisation where it put the electrical safety interests of the consumer's first, they had no concern for the interests of their approved contractors. Electricians did not need to be registered with any organisation and the NIC approval was seen as a mark of those that voluntarily offered themselves up for techical scrutiny so they could wear the NICEIC badge with pride. Of course the NICEIC is a now a business, but the ethos still remains in there somewhere and perhaps that's why it is easier to get registered by other organisations who may have less stringent rules and requirements? I still don't set up any particular jobs for my assessments, I just hand over a list of all work and the assessor picks any two to visit. If I could only offer two jobs that I was happy to be inspected then I would expect to be knocked back by the NICEIC.

Its just as easy if not easier to join the NICEIC than any other scheme!

 

[Electricalserv]

Ant @ NAPIT thanks for the information you have been very helpful!

 

[William Irons]

just paid niceic in april for their annual fee engineer came out in may and i just got another bill in today for £340 for the engineer coming in may
I rang them and they said but the anual fee just covers a half days visit RIP OFF
I said to the unhelpful person i talked to that i willl begin the de - registration process and they couldnt have cared less what do we get for the annual fee eh FRESH AIR

 

[Engineer54]

A question,

....So what would you have to do, to fail one of these scam providers acceptance assessment, or one of these so called annual assessments??? Does anyone know of anyone, that has failed either of these?? Just curious, as i've never seen anything mentioned on any of threads that i've read so far.

 

[jsa986]

Yep Elecsa are the way forward

 

[electromonkey]

I've not read all this thread so apologies if it's already been said. If your reg with the NIC is still active, ELECSA may waver their joining charge. It's worth ringing them to find out.

 

[sbrown2]

if you are going for full scope in elec,plumbing, vent and some heating plus MCS then NAPIT are very competitive, just paid £1102 and am not looking forward to al l of the assessments.

 

[mcs.serv]

Delayed Reaction!

I'm an Elecsa man, as above, always very help full.

Assessors (now ECA i believe, previously BBA) very help full, & informative

 

[Voltimax]

All the scams will let you in via free transfer. If there is still time left with your current scam, you can change over to another free of charge and you will be required to have an assessment at the same time you would have with your previous provider.

It's like phonejacker isn't it?
"Are you happy with your current part p providings sir"

 

[bigbob1]

fonejacker app i phone gotta get it very good!!

 

[supasparxs]

also, elecsa will probably take you on with one CU change....

I hope this doesn't start to be a bidding war

Napit will take you on with 2 circuits (preferably one being a ring main)
and if you cancel an appointment with less then 5 days notice they will charge you £200+vat

 

[MDJ]

Nic are the the most unhelpful set up in history......I have my assesment on Thursday and the two examples I was using are for a housing company who went bust so I have no access.....I phoned nic about this and there only solution was me getting charged £290 + vat for a revisit, when I asked if I could still keep Thursday's visit and at least spend the morning in a cafe with this assessor they said no......why not if I am paying for this!.....they take £290 + vat from me then can still send this assesor somewhere else!.......this to me is proof nic are money grabbing.....

I shall be phoning napit on Monday morning

Sorry M8 but I agree with them on this, the inspector needs to look at your Jobs, if you have none to show him even though not your fault on this occassion then they will need to revisit, it's all in the agreement when you get enrolement, not their fault this time IMO, but there you are.

 

[eds54]

I am with the NICEIC have been for 10 years never had a problem. The inspector i have is really friendly and helpful i have his email address and if i have a question he answers it the same day. I would be interested to know the cost of the other organisations and would i still have to have the assessment seeing as i have been in the NICEIC for so long