Level of qualification needed to obtain licence?

[guest119]

15 pages sitting on the fence D, your arse must be a new shape :38:
Now you know how Doctor Frankenstein felt after he created his monster.

Boydy

 

[Guest569]

UkSparks - You know whats funny ? Im a drummer too, I had a 7 piece yamaha maple custom when I was 19 kitted out with Zildjian Ks and As. I sold it and only recently got back into it. My latest purchase is a nice little Gretch Catalina Club Jazz kit. Im probably a better drummer than you too

If your going to make comments about me then choose to ignore my responses please don't post in the first place.

 

[uksparks]

A Bic brio can kill you when stabbed into the side of your neck. Everything is dangerous if not used correctly.

 

[Guest569]

its all OK as long as its harnessed correctly...

its when it isn`t that it starts getting dodgy...

yep gas is dangerous...but so is several thousand amperes fault....

Gas has far more potential to kill multiple people.

 

[jaypp]

Gas is dangerous yes.

not true. i've seen stickers on vans saying 'gas safe'! :smile5:

 

[Engineer54]

I get the argument of everyone being able to do everything...but you don't expect all people getting a driving licence to pass the HGV/PSV test, which is what some seem to be advocating.....

No, But you would expect him to hold a valid driving license, and have held that license for the prescribed number of years before being able to take a HGV/PSV test....

Which is all that is being said here. Base minimum qualifications/skills for registration as an electrician, ...any sector electrician. Like the example made with doctors, an electrician can better himself by specialising and taking further appropriate qualifications to that end.

No-one here, is calling for the base electrical qualification entry level for an electrician to include all the add on qualifications. All that's actually being asked for, is basically the same that has always been the recognised minimum, and that's holding a core qualification. The only reason you need to add AM2 and NVQ is because today those base/core qualifications don't come hand in hand with on the job skill training like they used to in my day....

 

[uksparks]

You know whats funny ? Im a drummer too, I had a 7 piece yamaha maple custom when I was 19 kitted out with Zildjian Ks and As. I sold it and only recently got back into it. My latest purchase is a nice little Gretch Catalina Club Jazz kit. Im probably a better drummer than you too

If your going to make comments about me then choose to ignore my responses please don't post in the first place.

See the drum to the left, this is my snare, it's a DW super solid edge, took three months to get as had to custom make it as its steam bent solid maple with a walnut ring. When it arrived I then ordered a whole kit from them, still waiting for it, likely to be another couple of months, cost me £14k.

I have played the drums since I was 11, so 21 years now. I play in a 45 strong orchestra as the drummer and am incharge of all percussion.

I did all my grades years ago, did my grade 8 kit and grade 5 theory in 1997, not that grades mean anything.

 

[Guest569]

See the drum to the left, this is my snare, it's a DW super solid edge, took three months to get as had to custom make it as its steam bent solid maple with a walnut ring. When it arrived I then ordered a whole kit from them, still waiting for it, likely to be another couple of months, cost me £14k.

I have played the drums since I was 11, so 21 years now. I play in a 45 strong orchestra as the drummer and am incharge of all percussion.

I did all my grades years ago, did my grade 8 kit and grade 5 theory in 1997, not that grades mean anything.

Nice...Ive gigged all over, supporting acts such as Fun Loving Criminals and playing in various jazz bands etc..Was very young, around 16-18...then had to make a decision whether to commit to music or stick with my apprenticeship and here I am ....sometimes wonder if I made the correct decision.

 

[Rockingit]

I'm just going to quietly point out that if you take a wander over to the Inpection and testing section you'll find a thread written by a complete turnip who claims in other posts elsewhere to be undertaking HNC after having done 2391 and a bunch of other stuff.... and the thread is asking why his megger isn't testing an MCB even when it's on 5x setting.

Qualifications (if real) do not equal competence, they just equal being able to learn the right answer to a question. And therein, lies the problem.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Gas has far more potential to kill multiple people.

well...you know what uncle joe used to say...

 

[Engineer54]

for new Entrants - NVQ3/AM2

Am i reading this right, some here are suggesting that an NVQ and a AM2 should be the minimum requirement for being registered as an Electrician?? Without a core qualification, ...absolutely NOT!!

This just shows me how low the estimation of an electricians worth to some of you!!! That or you're electrical trainee's yourself without a meaningful qualification to your name and looking for yet another easy route to make a living in our industry...

 

[overskilled]

No, But you would expect him to hold a valid driving license, and have held that license for the prescribed number of years before being able to take a HGV/PSV test....

Which is all that is being said here. Base minimum qualifications/skills for registration as an electrician, ...any sector electrician. Like the example made with doctors, an electrician can better himself by specialising and taking further appropriate qualifications to that end.

No-one here, is calling for the base electrical qualification entry level for an electrician to include all the add on qualifications. All that's actually being asked for, is basically the same that has always been the recognised minimum, and that's holding a core qualification. The only reason you need to add AM2 and NVQ is because today those base/core qualifications don't come hand in hand with on the job skill training like they used to in my day....

Devils advocate: What about the Army though? They teach sprogs how to drive tanks and HGV tank transporters...most of them at the same time learning to drive a car or before they know how to drive a car...;-)

Create a minimum qualification and it has to be accessible i.e. not require sponsorship from an employer to gain it (you then get guys who are decent sparks but don't have the paperwork unable to formalise themselves, despite being more than willing to do so) - Thats why I proposed a serious indepth practical assessment with a theory test also. For the purposes of the practical test, I'm not sure if others agree but I think it would make sense to have different practicals for different sectors to test the different skills - making off large CSA SWA is a skill unto itself in the industrial sphere, as is tracing / terminating cables in a confined space in the domestic sphere....as 2 poor examples..

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I'm just going to quietly point out that if you take a wander over to the Inpection and testing section you'll find a thread written by a complete turnip who claims in other posts elsewhere to be undertaking HNC after having done 2391 and a bunch of other stuff.... and the thread is asking why his megger isn't testing an MCB even when it's on 5x setting.

Qualifications (if real) do not equal competence, they just equal being able to learn the right answer to a question. And therein, lies the problem.

yeah...lol...
seen it...left a note as well....lol..

 

[overskilled]

Am i reading this right, some here are suggesting that an NVQ and a AM2 should be the minimum requirement for being registered as an Electrician?? Without a core qualification, ...absolutely NOT!!

This just shows me how low the estimation of an electricians worth to some of you!!! That or you're electrical trainee's yourself without a meaningful qualification to your name and looking for yet another easy route to make a living in our industry...

Ok so what core qualification(s) would you require as a REALISTIC minimum?

 

[guest119]

The 5wws on here ENG are the ones that protest the loudest, easy to spot.

Boydy

 

[D Skelton]

Lol , are you jealous is that it ?

Whoa let me stop you there. *****

 

[Engineer54]

Ok so what core qualification(s) would you require as a REALISTIC minimum?

Eh!! There is only currently one, well for the installation electrician anyway!!

Core or fundamental electrical qualifications associated with electricians have been 2360. 2330, and currently 2365. All other qualifications are known as supplementary or additional qualifications!! Are you telling us you didn't know this??

 

[PEG]

If everyone can pick their own skills test criteria,then i choose hitting a golf-ball with a baseball bat further than a golfer with a driver... i will expect the newly introduced industry medal in the post thanks...:yesnod:

 

[overskilled]

Eh!! There is only currently one, well for the installation electrician anyway!!

Core or fundamental electrical qualifications associated with electricians have been 2360. 2330, and currently 2365. All other qualifications are known as supplementary or additional qualifications!! Are you telling us you didn't know this??

I was asking your opinion...sheesh...

 

[Engineer54]

Create a minimum qualification and it has to be accessible i.e. not require sponsorship from an employer to gain it (you then get guys who are decent sparks but don't have the paperwork unable to formalise themselves, despite being more than willing to do so) - Thats why I proposed a serious indepth practical assessment with a theory test also. For the purposes of the practical test, I'm not sure if others agree but I think it would make sense to have different practicals for different sectors to test the different skills - making off large CSA SWA is a skill unto itself in the industrial sphere, as is tracing / terminating cables in a confined space in the domestic sphere....as 2 poor examples..

I really don't know what you're on about here we don't need to create anything, we have a perfectly acceptable minimum qualification in place, that doesn't need adjusting or watering down to suit/appease the underqualified electrical trainee's etc.


No we don't need different anythings for different industry sectors, you seem to be hell bent on deskilling, this industry. Well we don't want any of it thank you very much!!