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[Pete999]

The new standards (apprenticeship) for the installation electrician is the Level 3 Electrotechnical qualification (installation) or
(maintenance) (5357-03).

It consists of 3 - 31/2 years at college doing the technical units and portfolio units. Once these have been signed off, the apprentice must pass the AM2. There are a lot of practical exams in the technical units, including 4 different types of safe isolation, a 10 hour build/installation to name a few. The portfolio has 6 units to complete and all but three of them have to be done on at least two separate occasions.

For the portfolio, the apprentice will have to install 4 different cable types from a list of 8 and install 4 different containment types from a list of 10. They will also have to terminate 4 different cable types and install and terminate at least 5 accessories from a list of 11.

There is also the inspection & testing unit and fault diagnosis and rectification units to complete.

There are 126 criteria altogether in the portfolio, so these are just a few of them.

Hope this makes sense?

Jay

Clear as a bell thanks Jay

 

[Squid]

£150 a week went a long way living with parents and to only run a mo-ped!

Jeeez you where minted I was on 89p an hour and took the bus.

 

[Pete999]

My first pay at qualifying was £14 and 7shillings per week take home, £14:70 about in today's money

 

[telectrix]

you maths is slipping, pete £14-7-0 is £14.35.

but for that 7shillings, you could buy 3 pints and 20 smokes.

 

[Pete999]

you maths is slipping, pete £14-7-0 is £14.35.

It's only a number Tel

 

[7029 dave]

Jeeez you where minted I was on 89p an hour and took the bus.

Same as, but was on 62p an hour.circa 1979.

 

[Pete999]

Same as, but was on 62p an hour.circa 1979.

1979, I was just back from a years solitary confinement up some poxy mountain in Cyprus, and don't say a year in the Sun, it bloody snowed for 5 months, snow you have never seen snow like it.

 

[7029 dave]

1979, I was just back from a years solitary confinement up some poxy mountain in Cyprus, and don't say a year in the Sun, it bloody snowed for 5 months, snow you have never seen snow like it.

In the military then Pete.?

 

[Pete999]

In the military then Pete.?

No Dave Department of the Environment, Property Services Agency, Authorised Person, Foreman M&E 1 year tour, might as well have been in the Military though.
And I volunteered what a pillock.

 

[telectrix]

Same as, but was on 62p an hour.circa 1979.

when i started apprenticeship in 1966 was on £6/5/0 a week.

 

[Pete999]

when i started apprenticeship in 1966 was on £6/5/0 a week.

Finished mine in 62,can't recall my pay groats went out about that time.

 

[Deleted member 104825]

Oh the golden days of apprenticeship (NOT).
I was a toolroom machinist (yes a tool) and in 1977 I got £17.06 a week - the apprentices from Vauxhall/Cadbury/Moons got about £27...
As an aside:-
When I first got it I could pay Mum 25% and pay for fish/chips for lunch, bus fares etc AND get hammered 4 nights a week (Th/F/Sa/Su) with my mate Spud, just before the annual rise I could only get hammered 2 nights (but Spud was then at Uni luckily or it'd be just Thursday :-( and it wasn't as if chips or bus fares had gone up much, I was just a bit of a p!sshead!!

 

[Pete999]

When I wer a Lad the bloke I was working would give me a shilling 5 p send me to the shop get some donuts and a daily sketch, aye up times were hard

 

[gazdkw82]

Iv just started an apprenticeship but it’s abit of an odd one.

I’m 34 so classed as a mature apprentice. Iv also completed C&G level 2 (as had 4 others) and so we have been placed with the 2nd year apprentices.

The new apprenticeship is called 5357 technical standard and follows the same path as before to be classed as qualified

C&G level 3 tech
The nvq (work portfolio)
Am2

The college don’t seem to have full knowledge of the new course guidelines and structure, or so it seems that way.

 

[Squid]

Same as, but was on 62p an hour.circa 1979.

Mine was in 1980 must have been the London Weighting that bumped it up lol

 

[Squid]

1979, I was just back from a years solitary confinement up some poxy mountain in Cyprus, and don't say a year in the Sun, it bloody snowed for 5 months, snow you have never seen snow like it.

I was in Poland years ago in winter and at night it got to -28 and during the day -15 but the funny thing is the Poles complain how cold it is in the UK as it damp cold lol

 

[Sam662]

Just started an apprenticeship at 25, level 3 electrotechnical qualification installation/maintenance 5357-03, wish I'd have done one when I was in my teens but C'est la vie.

I'm on £221 a week which is amazing for these young apprentice but a bit on the lean side considering I'm living away from my parents so that 211 has to cover everything.

Got to agree with gazdkw82 in regards to the college seemingly not having a full grasp on the new structure of the qualification, which is more than a little frustrating. Thankfully the company I'm with has put me with an electrician who has taken a genuine interest in teaching me and not just making me his glorified tool carry.

 

[Sam662]

 

[Phil Thompson]

When I did mine starting 1996, it was 6 weeks in college and 6 weeks on placement.
I did jobskills as was 18, so got the dole £37.80 iirc plus a tenner and travel.
I had a firm that was close (7-8min walk) so never claimed travel.
Did all written exams and AM1 then

Then second year was 1 day of 12hrs and third year was 3hrs one evening a week.
The final half year was all work and then did AM2.

I passed first go as did the other lad my stage.

But only a handful of the following years apprentices passed first go if they even got the chance to do it.
After 1st year all apprentices got JIB rate. Irregardless of the employer being a JIB firm, so the wages were good. Very good for the time in fact. Jumping on average £60-70 a year. Then on qualifying they only jumped up about £25 to £234 in your hand in 2000, as you no longer got the JIB rates.

I’ve taken on a lad and he is doing level 2 for 2 years then level 3 for 2 years.

First 2 years the college pay him £40 a week plus travel.
But they must attend 2 days a week for those 2 years, and at moment they’re doing an extra day for an employability Unit.

It appears in NI at least that the JiB rate for apprentices is no longer enforced, this seems to be due to employers not taking on any apprentices. JIB rate for a 1st year is £4.83 an hour. That’s some money to find every week for a lad that can only gopher and watch for the first lot of months. Especially if working to a 1 man band.

But as said above they don’t learn much Electrical in the 2 days as it’s mostly H&S based, the 1st year level 3 kids, whilst getting a day less in college must learn literally no practical in college if they have to do all that H&S stuff in 1 day.

 

[Marti]

How many electricians can we safely say who have families to feed, rent & bills to be paid who can honestly say they they'd take on someone & train them up while most probably earning a lot less due to watching over them, I doubt you'd get many rushing to the front of the queue signing up.

That's hitting the 2.5 cable clip squarely on the head and a number of the comments in this thread have spoken the truth about the world of employment training as it is today; not as it was even ten years ago.

Second and third career paths are the norm to any fifty-something and that's not due to poor choices when young. It's often due to a changing market and technology as well as longer working life. That means more mature students with responsibilities. Also, employers have changed, and very few of the changes are to the positive. More on that anon.

Matures can't / won't spend a year chopping boxes and carrying tools for £7 an hour; especially when they will be coughing up £6,000 in college fees because employers aren't going to pay those either.

The mature who is working as an improver and completing a C&G at college IS doing the equivalent of a modern apprenticeship in difficult circumstances, and those changed employers I mentioned above. Take on a group of young apprentices, pay them poorly for as along as they can then dismiss them on totally fictitious grounds, RETAINING ALL TRAINING RECORDS AS COMPANY DOCUMENTATION! The youngsters are now all resitting the C&G at their own expense and and would not touch a "real" apprenticeship. I agree that something needs to be done about the "qualified in five weeks" offerings. They are nothing short of criminal but as long as the standard advice is "a proper five year apprenticeship", those giving the advice need to bear some of the responsibility as their recruiting sergeants.

No offence intended to anyone here. just trying to add to a much needed debate.