Neutrals at switches

[VoltzElectrical]

Percentage is rising of nipping one of them with screws

0.0 %. LOOK at the backbox???

 

[Des 56]

C'mon now you neutral switchers ,the ceiling lads are getting the better of you in these last few posts

 

[Electricalserv]

What if customer wants to change from normal switching to dimmer?? Changing accessory now becomes more than a straight forward switch from one to the other.

 

[Electricalserv]

0.0 %. LOOK at the backbox???

0.0%? screws continue through the bolt in plastc boxes????? Also if no plastic box still viable that more chance of nipping with screw

 

[sparks1234]

Does this put it all into perspective at all, found this last week under somebodies floor boards

 

[topquark]

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Does this put it all into perspective at all, found this last week under somebodies floor boards

Looks like a picture of the spidge bin

 

[Electricalserv]

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Does this put it all into perspective at all, found this last week under somebodies floor boards

Thats what you are likely to find in switch's in 5 years time

 

[IQ Electrical]

Thats what you are likely to find in switch's in 5 years time

You said you hadn't even seen this method before so on what basis are your scenario's from?

 

[Electricalserv]

You said you hadn't even seen this method before so on what basis are your scenario's from?

I base my scenario on the response of this forum.

 

[sparks1234]

The dog that is removed from the reds in the middle had 11 cables going into it, had worked loose because it was under the landing floor, luckily the house is to be rewired this year

 

[Phil]

switch/loop at ceiling:
ring/radial:
swa/conduit
pvc conduit/steel conduit

we all have our own preferences and ways of doing things and as long as its to the regs and is fit for purpose it does not matter why we choose one over the other. different circumstances call for different approaches to the situation and methods

 

[Adam W]

sorry I am more of an commercial/industrial installer

Why can you not do the 'loop into the switch' method in a commercial/industrial situation?

• If the client wants the emergency lights switched separately (eg in a corridor where they want the lights to stay on during a light test) the auxiliary terminal would be fed from the keyswitch so you wouldn't be able to use it as live loop, so you'd need to link the loop in the back of the box which doesn't leave you much room to screw the lid back.
• You'd have exactly the same problem with finding the rose which the switch wire comes off - why spend ages up a ladder or on top of desks when you can just take the switch off?
• Looping in to the switch makes moving/rewiring individual circuits a lot more straightforward - strip the circuit back to the switch and continue it from there.

Obviously if you were wiring using singles you wouldn't loop anywhere.

 

[Guest 004]

Obviously if you were wiring using singles you wouldn't loop anywhere.

really? oh I feel so stupid now

 

[Adam W]

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Does this put it all into perspective at all, found this last week under somebodies floor boards

That's a good example of how wiring methods change - that would have been perfectly acceptable 'back in the day'.

 

[Adam W]

really? oh I feel so stupid now

That doesn't really answer the question.

... Or address any of the points I just raised.

 

[jeremy]

I still can't see that there is a right or a wrong. Different applications may need different methods. ( Are we supposed to take sides?)

 

[Adam W]

I use both, but the 'side' against seems more militant. I can think of at least one valid reason why you shouldn't do it, particularly on 2 way circuits, but I don't see why I should mention it - I've picked my side now.

 

[charliefarli]

i feed switches when there is a two gang or above switch.wall lights or outside lights.just makes life easier.and you use less cable.you cant tell me its better practise to feed some of these wall lights with the amount of space they give you for connections.ridiculous.i use both methods to best suit situation!

 

[Guest 004]

really? oh I feel so stupid now

you still need to loop singles m8y

 

[robsparx]

Don't see why anyone would have a problem with this. Must just be ignorance having been taught it another way. And don't know how some people have NEVER come across a lighting circuit wired this way