Borrowed neutral question.

[Guest123]

Can you show me where I've belittled anyone?

And can you explain why I'm not allowed to disagree with people?

I asked first!!!

 

[telectrix]

No - I'm suggesting that your duty of care extends further than that, and does not permit you to say "oh well I'll do a bodged job for you if you want and tough titty if it bites you".

now who's misquoting. i never said i'd do a bodged job. what i said was if the client falls downstairs because he won't pay to have extensive ( to him, anyway) work done to enable the lights to be separated then it his look out.

 

[Knobhead]

For god’s sake listening to some of you no wonder the Polish are taking all your work! Sorry Mrs. Brown, I can’t fit your new fuse board with out ripping out your hall wall, landing wall and half the floor. OK it will be to BS7671, but Mrs. Brown is looking at her wallpaper and carpet.

Real life takes in to account “practicality” as does BS7671!

 

[telectrix]

if he fell down the stairs, it would not be down to me, as i would have explained that all the lights were on 1 circuit as he would not pay to improve the situation. if he was drunk when he fell, has the local offy failed in their duty of care? if he fell over the cat, do you blame the RSPCA?

 

[Engineer54]

if he fell down the stairs, it would not be down to me, as i would have explained that all the lights were on 1 circuit as he would not pay to improve the situation. if he was drunk when he fell, has the local offy failed in their duty of care? if he fell over the cat, do you blame the RSPCA?

In other words, (to those that live by what books tell them) Welcome to the Real World!!!.

 

[ezzzekiel]

and he should watch where hes going the clumsy fool

 

[telectrix]

anyway, where's the fun in looking for a fault with the lights on? i frequently get called out in the evening ( dark) to a fault that happened at 10.00am.

 

[Johnny-G]

anyway, where's the fun in looking for a fault with the lights on? i frequently get called out in the evening ( dark) to a fault that happened at 10.00am.

I love fault finding in the dark too, it's what Lensers were made for.

 

[onions1066]

ban all sheds i dont think you can accuse people of doing a "bodge job" when what they are doing is well within the regs and is totally justified in the real world. I think everyone on this one is going to have to agree to disagree, job done, lets all have a big forum hug and wrap this one up because i'm getting bored of keep logging on and reading about borrowed neutrals when i should be watching eastenders. :banghead:

 

[onions1066]

oh and you've gotta love looking for faults in the dark especially when the mains in buried under a thousand coats and enough shoes to sink a small ship and in the darkest cupboard known to man, but apart from that i dont mind :cheesy:

 

[telectrix]

ban all sheds i dont think you can accuse people of doing a "bodge job" when what they are doing is well within the regs and is totally justified in the real world. I think everyone on this one is going to have to agree to disagree, job done, lets all have a big forum hug and wrap this one up because i'm getting bored of keep logging on and reading about borrowed neutrals when i should be watching eastenders. :banghead:

i knew there was somebody , somewhere that watched it, other than her indoors.

 

[onions1066]

i'm a big enough man to admit i like it it or does that make me a big enough women?

 

[pushrod]

As said already said you explain to the customer that won't pay for the extra cabling, that both light circuits will now go off together (in the event of a fault on one) and you suggest they get some table/standard lights. I reckon if you take this argument to its logical conclusion every circuit should be on an rcbo. All the little 2 bed houses round my way only have one lighting circuit for up and down anyway lol.

 

[Des 56]

I just read the thread from one end to the other ughhh :yawn:


There is the "reality gang" who do the best they can with what they have got and with no "trade muscle" like the gas boys can call on

Then there are the "angels of perfection",unfortunately they live on earth, with earthlings, and their earthly ways,
Angelic attitudes, unfortunately, doesn't put bread on the table :waving:

 

[Ponty Massive]

All the little 2 bed houses round my way only have one lighting circuit for up and down anyway lol.

Hey pushrod...make sure you tell them they can't have an RCD or RCBO fitted, also no new downlighters in the bathroom etc....unless of course they happy to have all the 1st floor lights rewired !!!

 

[RomRobi]

I am really suprised by some of the threads I've read, and I dont see why a borrowed neutral from 2 lighting circuit should be a big issue. As someone said, why should you ripped the property apart for one friggin neutral. Remember this is a fuse board change, as long as the load is corrected, a warning notice and its recorded, also, yes it can be a danger if this hasn't been adhered to. If borrowing a neutral from the socket for a light then I would have said its a NO NO.

Note: if you decide to run a neutral, never run one on its own, if I'm right as someone suggested.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I am really suprised by some of the threads I've read, and I dont see why a borrowed neutral from 2 lighting circuit should be a big issue. As someone said, why should you ripped the property apart for one friggin neutral. Remember this is a fuse board change, as long as the load is corrected, a warning notice and its recorded, also, yes it can be a danger if this hasn't been adhered to. If borrowing a neutral from the socket for a light then I would have said its a NO NO.

Note: if you decide to run a neutral, never run one on its own, if I'm right as someone suggested.

521.5.2 (p97)
FERROMAGNETIC ENCLOSURES: ELECTROMAGNETIC EFFECTS
The conductors of an AC circuit installed in a ferromagnetic enclosure shall be so arranged so that all line conductors and the neutral conductor, if any, and the appropriate protective conductor are contained in the same enclosure........

 

[RomRobi]

Thank you Gleenspark, I wish I could afford another regs book. haha.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Thank you Gleenspark, I wish I could afford another regs book. haha.

No probs mate. Better wait for the first amendment to come out. P.S. I don`t sit here all day with regs book in hand quoting regs n numbers (could anyone be that lonely)?.lol.........

 

[RomRobi]

First amendment my back side. they should have looked well ahead before they leap. why is it so soon very 10- 13yrs when the regs are updated. I think we definetly all know the answer.