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TBH if I have these sort of problems with a single RCD install I don't waste a great deal of time if IR tests with everything connected are good. Advise to change to RCBO's. Whatever you do nuisance tripping is almost inevitable with such an install, even if you find a problem chances are something else will trip it before long and then you'll be back again for SFA because "I've already paid you once to fix it". A single RCD don't comply any more anyway!
 
Just a wild stab in the dark here. Found by changing the switch/strapping cables around on the two way lighting this cured such a problem as the earth was close to the permanent live when I swapped it to the other side of the three core + E problem disappeared. So it was two cables away so to speak, hope that is clear?
 
Just a wild stab in the dark here. Found by changing the switch/strapping cables around on the two way lighting this cured such a problem as the earth was close to the permanent live when I swapped it to the other side of the three core + E problem disappeared. So it was two cables away so to speak, hope that is clear?
Did you hear a little voice in your head to do that @Vortigern? Stab in the dark but nice result!
 
Id go for accumulated leakage, if youve tested the rcd then changing it wont do anything unless you put a faulty one in. Id price for a board change 100ma TDelay main switch and all 30mA rcbo's. The current design is no good for the modern day electrics with circuit discrimination required and so many leaky electronic devices, the system needs an upgrade.
 
Just a wild stab in the dark here. Found by changing the switch/strapping cables around on the two way lighting this cured such a problem as the earth was close to the permanent live when I swapped it to the other side of the three core + E problem disappeared. So it was two cables away so to speak, hope that is clear?
That is a niche fault, Vortigern! I'll have a look at the strappers, but I can't make it trip by operating the 2 way switching, and it has no effect on the ramp test in either position.
 
Id go for accumulated leakage, if youve tested the rcd then changing it wont do anything unless you put a faulty one in. Id price for a board change 100ma TDelay main switch and all 30mA rcbo's. The current design is no good for the modern day electrics with circuit discrimination required and so many leaky electronic devices, the system needs an upgrade.
You are right Bigspark, it is a pants installation at the moment, I will recommend this but she is on a budget, so 5 RCBOs and a Type S main switch (plus labour) is most likely not going to go down well.... I'll see what she says.
So far the 'swapped' RCCB hasn't gone again, but I am not holding out great hopes!
Cheers for the advice & opinions everyone.
 
You are right Bigspark, it is a pants installation at the moment, I will recommend this but she is on a budget, so 5 RCBOs and a Type S main switch (plus labour) is most likely not going to go down well.... I'll see what she says.
So far the 'swapped' RCCB hasn't gone again, but I am not holding out great hopes!
Cheers for the advice & opinions everyone.

The price won't go down well, but how much food is in her freezer..... This would go to waste if it trips and she's not around......
 
You are right Bigspark, it is a pants installation at the moment, I will recommend this but she is on a budget, so 5 RCBOs and a Type S main switch (plus labour) is most likely not going to go down well.... I'll see what she says.
So far the 'swapped' RCCB hasn't gone again, but I am not holding out great hopes!
Cheers for the advice & opinions everyone.
Do you mean a type S 100mA RCD as the main switch?
 
hi weevilward
had a similar issue turned out to be a wine fridge some years ago, TT system everything on one RCD unit. would not be so bad if it was not in the cellar, every time we tested the circuit we unplugged the fridge to plug in lead light, found a problem on a ring short caused by a mouse, repaired tested time I got home phone call gone again, went back showed house keeper readings on meter IR testing circuit all clear.
anyway customer had all CB's replaced with RCBO units for each circuit & when it went again called me before turning on the RCBO, went in new wine fridge 3 months old causing issue. Maytag replaced no questions asked, did not help client with approximately 4 days of work caused by the fridge.
earth leakage meter very good used one of those a few times very helpful if you can turn on appliances whilst watching the readings.

have also had another fault about 10 years ago TT system same again 30ma trip on mains, IR tested whole house after I managed to take out all of the Neon indicated extension leads must have been 20-25 leads in the house, sh..t loads of electronics plugged in. spent all day on it IR tested could not locate, turned system on again plugged in & RCD down after 10-15 seconds, owner well it must be on a circuit I stripped down the conservatory, kitchen, lounge, heating, immersion, shower. each time I turned the system on I used hoover on each socket circuit & did not matter which one, owner did not believe me thought I was having him on that it was sheer over load of the RCD unit (30ma).
mentioned I would change board agreed price as I had already undertaken all of the testing on the whole house in that day & had results, agreed deduction on my days wages against fuse box change picked my money up next day got phone call my mate will change for less than you.
I lost it & called him c...t, told him good luck with testing his f.....king house, as I would not give him my notes as he did not want to pay for them.
Nasty customer, marc8, well avoided...
Thanks for th advice, I am going to invest in an earth leakage meter - any recommendations?
 
Or upfront before CU. I know this is a bone of contention on forums - some people say normal main switch and all 30mA RCBOs is fine, others prefer to fit time delay 100mA as well. Don't especially want to go off topic here....
Pretty sure crabteee starbreaker don't do a 100mA type S main switch so it'd have to be upfront before CU
 
Or upfront before CU. I know this is a bone of contention on forums - some people say normal main switch and all 30mA RCBOs is fine, others prefer to fit time delay 100mA as well. Don't especially want to go off topic here....
I would go for this as it offers double pole isolation whereas the rcbos do not.
 

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