Leave existing ceiling rose within new metal light fitting??

[Mark Huddleston]

I've had the mis-fortune to have to have fitted some of those luminaires or similar. I left the ceiling rose in place, cap on and cap off (cap off is much easier), using some flex to connect between ceiling rose & luminaire.

Some have convenient holes in the luminaire fixing bar, to locate underneath the ceiling rose, to make use of the suitable fixing into the above joist etc. If they haven't, offer it up & make some. It will also need fixing near the ends also.

Yeah I’ve been up in the loft and I can definitely get a good fixing into the timber alongside the rose.

 

[littlespark]

The lever ones are one conductor per hole.
Look at the 224 type

 

[Mark Huddleston]

The lever ones are one conductor per hole.
Look at the 224 type

Yeah I’d seen these ones too. What I couldn’t find online is video or instructions showing multiple cables inserted. For examples the 3 live wires that form the loop....how do they insert into a 224? I’ve seen them put into a three lever 222 (one cable in each hole) but on the 224 there is only one hole on the solid core push side. I hope I’m making sense here and not sounding too daft.

 

[telectrix]

you'd use the 3 port wago 221's for the 3 perm L's, a 5port 221 gor the earths, a 3 port for N's and a 2 port for switch L. the 221's are slimmer than the 222's.and will accept solid cable or flex. strip at 12mm , ensure the ends of the cables are dead straight, fit and tug test. and only 1 conductor per hole.

 

[Mark Huddleston]

you'd use the 3 port wago 221's for the 3 perm L's, a 5port 221 gor the earths, a 3 port for N's and a 2 port for switch L. the 221's are slimmer than the 222's.and will accept solid cable or flex. strip at 12mm , ensure the ends of the cables are dead straight, fit and tug test. and only 1 conductor per hole.

Thanks for that. The only thing is you can only seem to but these in bulk and not individually. I suppose it’s all hypothetical if I can use the existing rose but it’s all good information to have. Thanks

 

[telectrix]

you can buy a starter pack. what you don't use will always come in handy, even on some car jobs.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wago-60281...31RZEMMJPXB&psc=1&refRID=VX18BYVMQ31RZEMMJPXB

 

[Mark Huddleston]

you can buy a starter pack. what you don't use will always come in handy, even on some car jobs.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wago-60281...31RZEMMJPXB&psc=1&refRID=VX18BYVMQ31RZEMMJPXB

Ha!! That’s half the price of the light!!!

 

[Andy78]

Ha!! That’s half the price of the light!!!

It's also cheaper than getting me to put the light up.
I would have provided the wagos in with the price though along with any additional cable needed and testing the earth connection is viable for the metal fitting you are putting up. And it would have been up by now

 

[Midwest]

Just go with the ceiling rose thing, why try to complicate stuff.

 

[Mark Huddleston]

Just go with the ceiling rose thing, why try to complicate stuff.

Yip I think so. If I need to go to plan Wago I will

 

[Mark Huddleston]

Thanks to everyone for their replies. You’ve all been very helpful. It’s genuinely nice to find a forum where professionals are so keen to help your average bloke on the street

 

[DPG]

Thanks to everyone for their replies. You’ve all been very helpful. It’s genuinely nice to find a forum where professionals are so keen to help your average bloke on the street

Depends on the day. We can be quite offensive sometimes.

 

[MJPD29]

Havnt read all the comments but can't see any issues with it. L,n,e from ceiling rose to new fitting and you'll be good

 

[Mark Huddleston]

All went well today and just got to hang about a million little glass pieces off it. I had a slight crisis of confidence when I finally screwed the fitting onto the bracket. The single wires had to be slightly longer than I would have liked just as they were dead fiddly. I remember someone saying they shouldn’t be pressing against the metal fitting. I wouldn’t have said they were pressing on it but more like resting on it. So I stripped some outer sheath of another part of flex and pushed the wires into a short section of outer sleeve where they rest on the metal. I then wrapped all this section in electrical tape. I was just a bit paranoid that the wires may overheat. Does this sound OK?

 

[telectrix]

if it's still on the ceiling when you get up tomorrow, good job..

 

[Mark Huddleston]

if it's still on the ceiling when you get up tomorrow, good job..

I went into the loft and fitted a noggin between the two joists for the bracket to screw into. It’s rock solid.

 

[Mark Huddleston]

Hi. Could someone just please clarify this for me. Do the single wires going from the fitting to the rose need insulating with tape or a section of it still with the outer sheath on as I can’t avoid them touching the inside of the metal fitting?? To be honest the wires forming the loop between the 3 LED bulbs touch the metal....am I being paranoid or just safety conscious??

 

[telectrix]

it's no problem.the single insulation suffices. additional sheathing would be for mechanical protection, but that;s already provided by the metal enclosure of the fitting.

 

[Mark Huddleston]

it's no problem.the single insulation suffices. additional sheathing would be for mechanical protection, but that;s already provided by the metal enclosure of the fitting.

Excellent thanks.

 

[Jjc]

I'm going to stick my neck out and say I can't see a problem with it. Feel free to hit the dumb button (not you Murdoch if you're reading this when you're back!)

I'm surprised there is room for it though.

If the existing rose has its cover screwed back on and the the new fitting is fed with flexible cable from the rose then it is perfectly acceptable.